The last Ringo post? Hope so, because the subject's about all played out on this end.
William Barclay. Well, not exactly who anyone would seriously describe as the most reliable source with respect to the details about much of the matter at hand, wouldn't you agree? Especially regarding all things Wyatt. (Talk about folks with agendas! We cannot take anything on faith with Bat, just as we cannot with Wyatt himself.)
When you write and publish a "reminiscing" article for public consumption 25 years after the fact and entitle it, "My Friend Wyatt Earp," you can pretty much assume that what you are getting is not exactly a fair and balanced, even-handed, but rather to one degree or another a factually dubious account.
Moreover, Bat wasn't in the vicinity for either the gunfight or the Vendetta business--believe he was in Dodge and/or Colorado--so where is all of his impeccable information coming from exactly? Wherever it's coming from, it's coming not only a quarter-century later, but second or third or fourth hand. (I hesitate to suggest that he is making anything up wholecloth. We'll leave that sort of thing to Wyatt himself.)
This is not to suggest that everything Bat said or wrote should be dismissed out of hand. It is to say that everything Bat said or wrote with respect to these matters (e.g. "Wyatt killed Curly Bill at the Whetstone Springs") should be approached on tiptoe and viewed with several doses of healthy skepticism, if not a jaundiced eye. (Plus, he was a newspaper reporter, a fact that, believe me, rather cuts less in his favor than against it.)
Finally, the parts of the sentences that you have upper-cased (for emphasis, I assume) are nothing if not contingently vague and circumspectly non-specific. They certainly are not enough from which to draw any meaningful inference much less to suggest that 1) "OTHERS" might conceivably refer to Ringo or 2) "THE TIME BEING" might be construed to suggest that Wyatt may have returned to AZ at a later date. It would utterly strain credulity to believe either of those things.
Forgive me, Bob, but in citing these two examples, I suspect that you may have weakened your case instead of bolstering it. I might even go so far, though it pains me to do so, to suggest that the slip of your pro-Earp bias is (however-so-slightly?) showing.
Bat Masterson on the vendetta: ""They hunted down a Mexican named Florentine, whom they shot, and then, one by one, they got Frank Stilwell, Curly Bill AND OTHERS WHO HAD A HAND, DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY,IN... more
I posted this some years back, but I think I was most interested in the info on the Benson stagecoach murders and the interviewee's take on Doc's part (or not) in it. I have been under the impresson... more
Actually was able to read that one, if only with the help of my reading specs. So, it appears that the young Claiborne, for whatever reason, admired (idolized?) the older Ringo and considered him a... more
Here's Parsons' and DeMattos' take on Claiborne and Ringo: https://books.google.com/books?id=FxhgDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA45&dq=Ringo+Claiborne&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwifl-qJvMDoAhUKS6wKH... more
So according to Parsons/DeMattos, the scenario I described in my post is "pure fiction." Fair enough. They're the guys in the know. That said, from what they have written, I still fail to understand... more
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Olds, you should finish reading this highly educational post and then immediately order RIDE THE DEVIL'S HERD. Bossenecker is no slouch when it comes to research, but in this book his skills are combined... more
edifying, Bob, among other things. You've certainly furthered my education on this subject, for which many thanks. Problem is, the more I know, the more I remain partial to my original position. I... more
Thank you, Peter. I really apptreciate that. I wish my posts would lure more world class authors and researchers (unlike me) back to the board, like you. I'm sure people would be more interested in how... more
Of all the people who post here, you have the most balanced historical perspective of events, protagonists and antagonists. I have learned that no matter how objective most historians are and try to... more
So the conjecture is that the motive would have been the reward money offered by this Protective Association? ($1,000 then would be roughly $30,000 now.) As motives go, plausible enough, I suppose, though... more
Growing up as part of a Native Arizona Family, the story circulating for many years was “who shot J.R.? Most of my family and other old timers used Frank Leslie’s name as a paid assassin who left... more
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Interesting. Good summary, if one that at this point, thanks to Kenny and others, we could augment with even more miscreancy. Have no idea what "modern law enforcement" would or wouldn't do, but I'd... more
...Probably not likely, but I had to jump in with my own response to the newspaper article. Quite fanciful and colourful, and certainly starting out okay, but the story teller got wound up and just couldn't... more
Joyce, you write.: "Just referring to possible connection with Earp killing Ringo, this accounts to the obvious nonsense. John Ringo's name was all too well known. If this guy rattled off people Wyatt... more