Joyce A. Aros
I was feeling charitable...
Mon Aug 14, 9:45

...Bob, but you got me with 'highly defensible reason for Virgil's choices;' but then, I am sure you knew you would. It's been dull around here lately so am glad to see you up and around.

I may be going over some old ground here but I think we both need a refresher course. Let's recall that in Tombstone, as in many such towns, there were few teetotalers. As saloons were the only social centers around and most men would rather spend time at hard work, hard card games, or a few hours sleeping off the night shift...that left little else to do but sit in the friendly neighborhood saloon and talk story for hours or...they could stand on the corners and watch all the girls go by!

My point being that Virgil spent as much time in the local saloons playing cards and drinking the same stuff everyone else was drinking for just as many hours. That means when Virgil went home in the mornings, he was often buzzed, and in this instance of the October 26th morning we will be talking about, after just a few short hours of sleep. my guess is he had a hang-over he wish he didn't have and that put him in a bad mood!

Let's not forget he was already not in a good frame of mind when he started out because he had to quell Doc's and his brothers' ruckus with Ike already past his bedtime. Incidentally, let's also recall that Ike was not the trigger mechanism in that situation either. Try to be a little fair for a change!

Note the other guys at the table the rest of that night were also NOT drinking lemonade and outside of Tom McLaury and possibly Behan, no one got much sleep after they left the saloon at, apparently, daybreak or around there. Hang-overs have a way of hanging over for a while.

Virgil grouchily heads off to bed, MAYBE takes time for some breakfast from an irritated wife, and barely gets settled in for a couple of hours when his deputy stops by and wakes him. Virgil says that was between nine and ten o'clock! Ouch! His head has to be hurting, he is not feeling great and so is not making good decisions, I would think.

Didn't Fonk and Murray approach Virgil and offer their back-up, along with others they could call on? If those guys were available, why would he feel he needed his brothers, two hotheads, Ike and Wyatt, who had already triggered trouble with the ranchers? Doesn't sound like Virgil had his thinking cap on, does it?

You suggest the good hearted and well motivated Virgil was also, with those spurious choices, also thinking of the importance of protecting the citizens of Tombstone! Holy Cow! Are you kidding me? Talk about forethought.

Two corrals the ranchers could have left their guns at? Why would they? They were on the way out of town. Did the City ordinance set a time limit or distance limit on those wearing guns as they prepared to leave town? Where was the sign that said 'city limits?' How fast does a guy have to run to pick up his gun at a hotel do9wn the street and then hit the town limits sign before he gets shot on the street because he didn't run fast enough?

Behan wasn't doing the job for Virgil. Behan was doing the job at hand for the county sheriff as he was already there! Perfectly legal and appropriate.

  • Re: For Joyce and TomBob Cash, Fri Aug 11 8:44
    Joyce and Tom, since the robust response from y'all that I was hoping my post would provoke has not materialized, I'm now worried about how y'all are dealing with the devastating heat in Arizona, particularly... more
    • I was feeling charitable... — Joyce A. Aros, Mon Aug 14 9:45
      • Who are you and what have you done to Joyce ?!!!Bob Cash, Fri Aug 18 10:45
        In referencing the poker game in the early morning of October 26th, that included Virgil Earp, Ike Clanton, Tom McLaury, John Behan and one other person, you (whoever you are) make the statement: "... more
        • Bob/ you yanking my chain again!...Joyce A. Aros, Tue Aug 22 17:55
          Of course I have never suggested that Ike didn't drink and get drunk on occasion, as did all the cowboys and ranchers I would imagine. I certainly knew a lot of them who put enough away to light the barn... more
          • Re: Bob/ you yanking my chain again!...Bob Cash, Sat Aug 26 10:35
            I think the Earp's defense team intentionally refrained from raising the issue of Ike's sobriety because Ike's actions on the morning of October 26th look far worse if taken by a sober person, rather than... more
            • Speaking of bartenders....Robert Buckley, Sat Aug 26 18:43
              The newspapers around San Francisco ran stories about when John M. Chenoweth was a bartender in Tombstone. They told of what good friends Ike Clanton and Chenoweth were...Some of the stories talked about... more
              • Re: Speaking of bartenders....Michael Fearnehough, Sun Aug 27 5:25
                Robert ... have you found anything more about Chenoweth being the editor for a pro-Joyce, anti-Earp newspaper? Apart from being involved with Joyce, he took a trip to New York with "Boss Buckley" and somehow... more
                • Re: Re: Speaking of bartenders....Robert Buckley, Sun Aug 27 7:20
                  In a book written by Sherry Monahan,Taste of Tombstone, she wrote that the Grand Hotel was originally leased by W.D.Crow,J.E.Palmer and John Chenoweth....W.D. Crow owned the Republican newspaper .... perhaps... more
                  • LikelihoodsMichael Fearnehough, Sun Aug 27 17:06
                    Robert ... unfortunate, but there's enough interesting coincidence linking Ike, these other people and election fraud
                    • William David CrowRobert Buckley, Sun Aug 27 18:07
                      • J.E.PalmerMichael Fearnehough, Mon Aug 28 11:21
                        And, I see Palmer was City Clerk and proprietor of the Dexter livery stables ... apart from a few other pies J. E. Palmer moved into Babbitt house in northern part of town Ja/10 3/2 J. E. Palmer, manager... more
                        • Deputy U.S. marshal Leslie BlackburnRobert Buckley, Mon Sep 04 16:34
                          Deputy U.S. marshal Leslie Blackburn arrested John Chenoweth of the Grand Hotel-Bar for selling liquor and tobacco without a license. more
                          • Re: Deputy U.S. marshal Leslie BlackburnMichael Fearnehough, Tue Sep 05 3:05
                            Thanks Robert ... in response to your first link I was I was about to send the second but you'd beaten me to it more
      • correction....Joyce A. Aros, Mon Aug 14 9:49
        in my post I referred to two 'hotheads.' I meant DOC and Wyatt, not Ike and Wyatt.
    • Hi there, Bob!Joyce A. Aros, Fri Aug 11 13:18
      Thank you for your concern and thinking about us. I am weathering the weather pretty good and am grateful we had a couple of storms come through so we are at 78 degrees in Tombstone today! I may put on... more