In referencing the poker game in the early morning of October 26th, that included Virgil Earp, Ike Clanton, Tom McLaury, John Behan and one other person, you (whoever you are) make the statement:
" My point being that Virgil spent as much time in the local saloons playing cards and drinking the same stuff everyone else was drinking for just as many hours. That means when Virgil went home in the mornings, he was often buzzed, and in this instance of the October 26th morning we will be talking about, after just a few short hours of sleep. my guess is he had a hang-over he wish he didn't have and that put him in a bad mood!
"Let's not forget he was already not in a good frame of mind when he started out because he had to quell Doc's and his brothers' ruckus with Ike already past his bedtime. Incidentally, let's also recall that Ike was not the trigger mechanism in that situation either. Try to be a little fair for a change!
"Note the other guys at the table the rest of that night were also NOT drinking lemonade and outside of Tom McLaury and possibly Behan, no one got much sleep after they left the saloon at, apparently, daybreak or around there. Hang-overs have a way of hanging over for a while.
"Virgil grouchily heads off to bed, MAYBE takes time for some breakfast from an irritated wife, and barely gets settled in for a couple of hours when his deputy stops by and wakes him. Virgil says that was between nine and ten o'clock! Ouch! His head has to be hurting, he is not feeling great and so is not making good decisions, I would think."
Joyce Aros would never make this argument. Since time began (or at least since this board began), Joyce has consistently , perhaps several hundred times, made the argument that no evidence exists that an armed Ike Clanton was drunk or hung over when he began his round of saloons later that morning expressing his determination to confront the Earps and Holliday. When, on several occasions, I have observed similar comments to hers(?) above about the possibility of Ike imbibing a large amount of something other than lemonade during his long overnight residence in a drinking establishment, her refrain has always been that if Ike was drunk or his thinking process was somewhat disabled by a hang over, the Defense in the Spicer Hearing would have pointed that out.
For her to now say, "Note the other guys at the table the rest of that night were also NOT drinking lemonade and outside of Tom McLaury and possibly Behan, no one got much sleep after they left the saloon at, apparently, daybreak or around there. Hang-overs have a way of hanging over for a while", would implicate Ike, as well as Virg, of drinking too much and suffering from a hang over later that morning.
This would mean that Joyce had finally agreed that there was a logical argument that Ike had over imbibed. I refuse to believe that my friend would ever surrender to simple and believable logic if it meant presenting Ike in negative way. Either this writer is an impostor or Joyce, who I am reliably informed would never over imbibe, is not thinking straight due to some other phenomena. Could someone in Tombstone check on her to make sure she’s not suffering from heat stroke?
...Bob, but you got me with 'highly defensible reason for Virgil's choices;' but then, I am sure you knew you would. It's been dull around here lately so am glad to see you up and around. I may be... more
Who are you and what have you done to Joyce ?!!! — Bob Cash,Fri Aug 18 10:45
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Deputy U.S. marshal Leslie Blackburn arrested John Chenoweth of the Grand Hotel-Bar for selling liquor and tobacco without a license. https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84021939/1882-01-16... more
Thanks Robert ... in response to your first link I was I was about to send the second but you'd beaten me to it https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Nevada_Gunsmoke/87dbEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq... more