Joyce A. Aros
Bob/ you yanking my chain again!...
Tue Aug 22, 17:55

Of course I have never suggested that Ike didn't drink and get drunk on occasion, as did all the cowboys and ranchers I would imagine. I certainly knew a lot of them who put enough away to light the barn on fire.

The point I was trying to make, and maybe not too well this time, is that Ike had several drinks that night and in the morning, but so did the others. I am suggesting they all were likely a little hung over for a while, some more, some less. Different people hold their liquor differently.

But I am suggesting that though Ike had a few drinks when he was talking about his problems to a couple of friends, there is no actual evidence or proof that he was DRUNK. It depends, with him as with the others, how much they drank, what they drank, and if they were just sipping it in a card game or due to the agitation, drinking a little faster.

The most interesting part to me is that during the Hearing, witnesses were questioned about their drinking and how much of a hang-over they might have. Ike Clanton WAS NOT questioned by either the Defense or the Prosecution on that matter. Why not? It could only be because it was not an issue with him. He may have been feeling his drinks with little sleep, but apparently the lawyers did not feel the need to question him about drinking or hang-overs.

He was never actually accused by anyone of being drunk. It has always been an assumption. Ike knew he had trouble and was trying to keep his wits about him.

But don't forget that Wyatt Earp VOLUNTEERED that Doc was 'pretty tight!' No one asked him, yet he accused Doc, but neither he nor Virgil suggested Ike was drunk!!!

  • Who are you and what have you done to Joyce ?!!!Bob Cash, Fri Aug 18 10:45
    In referencing the poker game in the early morning of October 26th, that included Virgil Earp, Ike Clanton, Tom McLaury, John Behan and one other person, you (whoever you are) make the statement: "... more
    • Bob/ you yanking my chain again!... — Joyce A. Aros, Tue Aug 22 17:55
      • Re: Bob/ you yanking my chain again!...Bob Cash, Sat Aug 26 10:35
        I think the Earp's defense team intentionally refrained from raising the issue of Ike's sobriety because Ike's actions on the morning of October 26th look far worse if taken by a sober person, rather than... more
        • Speaking of bartenders....Robert Buckley, Sat Aug 26 18:43
          The newspapers around San Francisco ran stories about when John M. Chenoweth was a bartender in Tombstone. They told of what good friends Ike Clanton and Chenoweth were...Some of the stories talked about... more
          • Re: Speaking of bartenders....Michael Fearnehough, Sun Aug 27 5:25
            Robert ... have you found anything more about Chenoweth being the editor for a pro-Joyce, anti-Earp newspaper? Apart from being involved with Joyce, he took a trip to New York with "Boss Buckley" and somehow... more
            • Re: Re: Speaking of bartenders....Robert Buckley, Sun Aug 27 7:20
              In a book written by Sherry Monahan,Taste of Tombstone, she wrote that the Grand Hotel was originally leased by W.D.Crow,J.E.Palmer and John Chenoweth....W.D. Crow owned the Republican newspaper .... perhaps... more
              • LikelihoodsMichael Fearnehough, Sun Aug 27 17:06
                Robert ... unfortunate, but there's enough interesting coincidence linking Ike, these other people and election fraud
                • William David CrowRobert Buckley, Sun Aug 27 18:07
                  • J.E.PalmerMichael Fearnehough, Mon Aug 28 11:21
                    And, I see Palmer was City Clerk and proprietor of the Dexter livery stables ... apart from a few other pies J. E. Palmer moved into Babbitt house in northern part of town Ja/10 3/2 J. E. Palmer, manager... more
                    • Deputy U.S. marshal Leslie BlackburnRobert Buckley, Mon Sep 04 16:34
                      Deputy U.S. marshal Leslie Blackburn arrested John Chenoweth of the Grand Hotel-Bar for selling liquor and tobacco without a license. more
                      • Re: Deputy U.S. marshal Leslie BlackburnMichael Fearnehough, Tue Sep 05 3:05
                        Thanks Robert ... in response to your first link I was I was about to send the second but you'd beaten me to it more