Jerry Prather
Johnny doesn't say, Hatch does.
Mon Apr 11, 11:32

All of these people are talking about what occurred near Bauer's when the Earps brushed by Behan. Hatch should be added to that list, since that's what he said happened there too. Hatch was the only witness to testify at the hearing as to Behan's actions after he reached Fly's. Although repeatedly asked, Behan persistently avoided answering the question about how he ended up at the rear of the boarding house. From what Hatch said, it seems Behan followed closely behind the Earp party "expostulating" with them to stop. He likely came up on the left side of Virgil to argue his case. When he realized the danger he was in, possibly when Virgil said "throw up your hands", he decided to seek safety and headed toward the rear of the boarding house. Claiborne not seeing Behan is worth considering. The testimony has many instances of people testifying to not seeing things we think they should have. Ike or Behan didn't say they saw each other inside Fly's, for instance. So I have the choice of Claiborne saying he didn't see Behan and Hatch probably about 15 or 20 feet behind Behan and the Earps saying Johnny turned the corner into the lot. Although we have different opinions, I think we agree that Behan didn't see much of what he claimed to see at the beginning of the action.

One of the first things that impressed me in your presentation is that you included the post Claiborne testified to. "Frank McLaury had hold of a horse, about the corner of a post." There it is! Never seen it in another video or painting.


    • Behan/HatchJones, Sun Apr 10 11:00
      Obviously I think Hatch is not correct. Here are statements from six witnesses. All of them have the lawmen passing by Behan and no mention of any further action on his part. If Behan had run up in... more
      • Johnny doesn't say, Hatch does. — Jerry Prather, Mon Apr 11 11:32
        • Behan and Hitching PostsJones, Mon Apr 11 13:41
          I'm ok with Behan's testimony. He doesn't see any of the scramble after the first two shots. The only thing he seems to know about after the first two shots is that Ike ran into Fly's after the fift... more
          • Where's the nickel-plated pistol?Jerry Prather, Mon Apr 11 14:45
            If those were actually the first 4 shots, why all the concern from prosecution witnesses about the nickel-plated pistol. Behan: "the nickel-plated pistol was the first to fire". These witnesses seemed... more
            • DeterminedJones, Mon Apr 11 16:26
              "These witnesses seemed determined to ..." I expect this is at least some of the reason we view things differently. I don't see them as being determined to do anything. Just witnesses telling what ... more
              • Jones/determined....Joyce A. Aros, Mon Apr 11 19:10
                ...It is only fair to offer 'the benefit of the doubt' to all the witnesses and as you say, most were truth tellers, at least six seem quite reliable. We have people caught in the moment and others... more
                • TestimoniesJones, Tue Apr 12 12:42
                  I found value in all the testimonies. Even those, that for whatever reason, are incorrect. Regarding the testimony: I think people under estimate how much is missing. Ike spent two or three days... more
                  • Testmonies, are there missing bits.Gail Allan, Tue Apr 12 21:02
                    I do not think there are missing parts of the testimony. Here's why. We have the original court reporters pages, and the Nugget's reporting for the Coroner's inquest. Keep in mind the Nugget's reporte... more
                    • re: are there missing bitsJones, Wed Apr 13 10:32
                      Ike Clanton's testimony November 9-15, 1881 Ike spent four days in the court room. The entirety of his testimony can be read aloud in one hour. That's a lot of court room time for what little verb... more
                      • Testimonies and courtroom time.Gail Allan, Wed Apr 13 12:06
                        Jones if you've ever been in a courtroom you'll know it takes a lot more time to get the work done than just the time it would take to read the transcripts out loud. I was in a jury on a medical malpr... more
                        • re: Testimonies and courtroom timeJones, Wed Apr 13 13:18
                          I've managed to dodge jury duty up to this point so I'll take your word for it. I didn't realize that only one hour of the spoken word was the norm for a weeks worth of testimony. Only the government... more
                  • Testimonies...Joyce A. Aros, Tue Apr 12 17:22
                    I am evaluating the whole thing from the existing recorded testimonies. I do not change a word. I know that there are sure to be many other words spoken at the time but we don't have those, do we? So ... more
                    • Jones/follow up to testimonies.....Joyce A. Aros, Tue Apr 12 18:21
                      ...please note in Virgil's testimony how he focuses on Billy Clanton, completely condensing the whole scenario by eliminating the attack on Frank and the shotgun blast at Tom. Virgil focuses totall... more
                      • re: testimoniesJones, Tue Apr 12 20:49
                        Agree with you on the Earp brothers story. I think the video is plenty clear about my opinion of the lawman story. I think they chose Billy as the initial shooter because he was farthest into the va... more
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