Joyce A. Aros
Addie and what she didn't see....
Mon Apr 11, 18:25


...Addie says she saw Doc step up to Frank, jab him in the gut with his pistol, step back a few steps and shots were fired. Frank grabbed his gut and turned away toward the street still holding the horse's bridle, probably for some support at that point.

He makes it almost across the street before he turns to draw and try to hit doc.

My question has always been; why did Addie not see Frank and his horse headed pretty much in her direction. As quick as it happened and considering her brief follow-up, she was there long enough to see Frank. He and his horse should have actually been a distraction to her, yet she never mentions it. They might even have impaired her clear view of the remaining figures which would then be behind him. She still does not mention Frank.

You have Addie pegged pretty accurately...but why did she not mention Frank staggering toward her?

Darn good job!

    • Addie, Hands, and the Start of the FightJones, Mon Apr 11 9:42
      Thank you. Everyone in the area was ask about what the cowboys did with their hands. Bourland's testimony was considered along with all the rest. I had an interest in this for a specific reason... more
      • Addie and what she didn't see.... — Joyce A. Aros, Mon Apr 11 18:25
        • re: Addie and what she didn't seeJones, Tue Apr 12 12:38
          "Frank grabbed his gut and turned away toward the street..." I've never heard this before. Frank won't be shot until after he's out in the street. (Q) How long did you continue to look at the par... more
          • Jones/why do you...Joyce A. Aros, Tue Apr 12 17:13
            ...think Frank was not shot until after he was out in the street? He was shot in the gut. Doc was on the walkway area still and Frank would had had to stop and turn toward him if he was to be sho... more
            • Who shot FrankJones, Tue Apr 12 20:53
              Sorry Joyce, but I'm not quite following along with this one. If frank was shot with one of the first shots he'd be staggering around on the sidewalk, not running out into the road. Yes, he has to... more
              • Jones, who shot Frank...Joyce A. Aros, Wed Apr 13 10:11
                ...Addie saw Doc approach Frank and jab him in the gut with what she believed was a large pistol of sorts. Addie, as you noted, was a reluctant witness. When Doc prodded Frank and then stepped back a ... more
                • re: who shot FrankJones, Wed Apr 13 11:05
                  Joyce wrote: "and Frank immediately turned and staggered toward her or her general direction." I don't recall this anywhere in the testimony. Joyce wrote: "Frank was gut-shot at the outset" By "o... more
                  • Jones; Frank turned...Joyce A. Aros, Wed Apr 13 18:47
                    ....It was not in the testimony as you say, but how else did Frank's body end up on the other side of Fremont street, in the general area of her home which was almost across from Fry's? He was witness... more
                    • re: Frank turnedJones, Wed Apr 13 19:32
                      Interesting take on it. I like Addie. Took some guts for a single gal to live where she did. Best wishes, Jones
                      • Addie BourlandJoyce A. Aros, Thu Apr 14 7:26
                        ...You will have to set those romantic interests aside, Jones. Addie's husband was a merchant from Arkansas, sold cigars pipes, stationary, confectionary and all kinds of fancy goods. he also invested... more
                        • MarriedJones, Thu Apr 14 14:53
                          Addie was married! Darn it! Why are the good ones always taken ;-) Bet that gal had some interesting stories to tell. Best wishes, Jones
                        • William Bourland vs Samuel BorlandJerry Prather, Thu Apr 14 9:18
                          Joyce, sorry to jump in here, but there are certain things you never forget. About 12 or 14 years ago, there was a mention of William Bourland being a member of the coroner's jury for the murder of Mo... more
                          • Jerry/thank you!Joyce A. Aros, Thu Apr 14 10:18
                            ...this is what we do in trying to help put the whole picture together in the right way. I appreciate your digging around and clearing up any discrepancies. And there is a discrepancy. Epitaph reco... more
                            • What's in a nameJerry Prather, Thu Apr 14 10:49
                              Joyce, this kind of reminds me of the confusion between Billy Allens. For years we read that Doc Holliday encountered the Billy Allen that witnessed the shootout when he ended up in Leadville, Colorad... more
    • I am so impressed...Joyce A. Aros, Mon Apr 11 8:19
      ...with the tremendous amount of work involved in this presentation. What a feat! However, it does give us a really good opportunity to view the whole thing more openly, for sure. I am impressed as... more
      • I Hear Prison Sucks...Jones, Mon Apr 11 11:43
        Thank you. I think most of your questions about the lawmen can be summed up by saying, people do whatever they have to do to stay out of prison. Isn't shooting an unarmed man a hanging offense? A... more
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