Joyce A. Aros
Jones/determined....
Mon Apr 11, 19:10


...It is only fair to offer 'the benefit of the doubt' to all the witnesses and as you say, most were truth tellers, at least six seem quite reliable.

We have people caught in the moment and others somewhat prepared for some action but few seemed to be stretching the truth deliberately, except the Earp boys and Sills, who were quite open about lying.

As for reliability in transmission, The Nugget reporter was able to cover most of the case in shorthand so probably kept up with a little more accuracy. The Hearing and Inquest records that exist are in ink. That means the court reporter had to be using a quill pen and an ink bottle to follow the testimonies. I grew up in school writing exactly the same. Once dipping the pen point in the ink you had to touch the edge of the ink bottle to remove excess ink, You might write two or three words slowly before dipping the pen point again.
So it is unlikely the recorder could keep up with someone speaking at a normal pace. One can only assume a pencil was used and then a copy was made in ink. If so, this would invite enormous errors.

So we have to more heavily rely on the newspaper accounts, especially the Nugget.

But with what we have, one is struck with questions not asked. There was no pursuit of statements that brought on doubt, even today. There was no attempt to develop some obvious intriguing comments. Testimonies were not compared, one against another.

The problem may have been it was a Hearing, not a Jury case and that becomes a problem. But for the most part, I myself find most testimonies quite reliable with few exceptions.

Regards,
Joyce

    • DeterminedJones, Mon Apr 11 16:26
      "These witnesses seemed determined to ..." I expect this is at least some of the reason we view things differently. I don't see them as being determined to do anything. Just witnesses telling what ... more
      • Jones/determined.... — Joyce A. Aros, Mon Apr 11 19:10
        • TestimoniesJones, Tue Apr 12 12:42
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          • Testmonies, are there missing bits.Gail Allan, Tue Apr 12 21:02
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            • re: are there missing bitsJones, Wed Apr 13 10:32
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              • Testimonies and courtroom time.Gail Allan, Wed Apr 13 12:06
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                • re: Testimonies and courtroom timeJones, Wed Apr 13 13:18
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          • Testimonies...Joyce A. Aros, Tue Apr 12 17:22
            I am evaluating the whole thing from the existing recorded testimonies. I do not change a word. I know that there are sure to be many other words spoken at the time but we don't have those, do we? So ... more
            • Jones/follow up to testimonies.....Joyce A. Aros, Tue Apr 12 18:21
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              • re: testimoniesJones, Tue Apr 12 20:49
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