Joyce A. Aros
As usual, I have a problem...
Mon Apr 18, 5:16


...with Judge Lucas this time. Is there anyone I don't have a problem with? It's 4:00 am so can't sleep and might as well read.

I am not looking at the picture of the Gird building right now but seem to recall the Epitaph in the foreground which puts the courtroom above it as well as Judge Lucas' office. Both being further back from the site of the shooting, though it seems to me there was a store or saloon on the corner of Fourth, at the end of the Gird building.

What bothers me about Lucas is he is down the hall in his office when he hears a couple of shots. Those have to be the first two by Doc and Morgan shooting Frank and Billy. Lucas says he hesitated at first.

Billy's gun hand was smashed at the first of the incident, which means he was almost immediately incapacitated. He, according to Virgil and Wyatt's testimonies, was fired upon and hit in several places which affected him to the extent he began to collapse toward the ground.

Lucas says he had to get out of his office and out to the porch out front and look out toward the site of the shooting. This took a few seconds and was AFTER he says he heard the initial shots. So by the time he gets to view the scene, he says he sees only Billy Clanton STANDING with his pistol UP. He also says he did not see anyone else who was in the fight or had weapons. This is not making much sense to me as the Earps had left Bauer's market and stepped out in the road to face the ranchers in the lot entrance and then moved in toward them quite close. Lucas HAD to see them.

Not one witness described Billy with his gun in the air! Billy was already on the ground struggling to get his pistol out of the holster with his left hand, no mean feat under the circumstances. Also, the Earps were all shooting at him at that time so they had to be in full view of Lucas. From the porch oversight he should have also seen Frank still in the middle of the street.

Morgan Earp was described as being on the corner of the little house and reached around to shoot Billy. It appears to me it was Morgan with his gun likely pointing upwards briefly that Lucas saw, not Billy. Billy did not yet have his gun out. Doc was into the street after Frank...Lucas didn't see that either?

I think Lucas was quite confused and likely got filled in during lively discussions at the local Pub! His whole account is full of holes but look at how Judge Spicer accepted it without question!!!

    • Re: re: SourcesBob Cash, Sun Apr 17 21:45
      Thank you for this, Jones. I was not aware of the "Famous Trials" page and it will be a useful "go to" document when I want to check out some of the testimony. I do notice that assistant district atto... more
      • SeriesJones, Mon Apr 18 14:32
        Let me start by saying, it didn't turn out the way I thought it would either. I think this will help to explain a lot. If I was going to explain to someone how to recreate the sim, looking back on... more
      • re: re: SourcesJones, Mon Apr 18 14:25
        Bob Cash wrote: "I do notice that assistant district attorney W.S. Williams' testimony is not in the three source documents ..." First time I've heard of him. If he had eyes on the fight it would be... more
        • Re: re: re: SourcesBob Cash, Mon Apr 18 14:51
          Jones, W.S. Williams was a newly appointed assistant District Attorney who testified about a conversation he heard John Behan have with Virgil Earp on the evening of October 26th. He was not a witnes... more
          • Who fired first?Bob Cash, Mon Apr 18 21:13
            Did Richard Rule's article and William's testimony make the case that Behan changed his original story? http://www.tombstonehistoryarchives.com/o.k.-corral-a-gunfight-shrouded-in-mystery.html ... more
            • Bob/ just thinking...againJoyce A. Aros, Thu Apr 21 16:32
              ...I am wondering why you visualize Tom McLaury, who the Earps claim was armed with a pistol and actually attempted to use it, trying to get a rifle off of Billy's horse? If Tom had a pistol, with ... more
            • re: Who fired first?Jones, Tue Apr 19 14:33
              When I first started the project I didn't know who fired the first shots. So I just left everyone's hands at their sides, then continued on with the rest of the fight. After the fist two shots the t... more
              • Jones/see my post to Bob Cash....Joyce A. Aros, Tue Apr 19 18:47
                ...about Doc's switcharoo. It's quite simple and we have all done it a lot of times when fixing fence, yard work, repairs on the house, ect.
            • Bob, unless you have a good reason...Joyce A. Aros, Tue Apr 19 7:44
              ...to reject Kehoe's testimony, I think you might examine it again. He is an excellent position to see what happened in the street. He cannot see into the lot as he is in front of Bauer's, but the Ear... more
      • As usual, I have a problem... — Joyce A. Aros, Mon Apr 18 5:16
        • LucasJones, Mon Apr 18 15:46
          I'm ok with Lucas for the most part. He sees Billy firing his gun from the corner of the little house and has the fight ending when Billy is disabled. Fits in well enough with the rest of the testim... more
          • not very comforting...Joyce A. Aros, Tue Apr 19 6:53
            ...I would not like to be the defendant and have you as a juror. I'd like to think a juror would expect more of of a witness than to determine 'that's okay,' or 'good enough.' What he says he see... more
            • LegalizeJones, Tue Apr 19 14:40
              That made me lol :-) I've never considered the fight from a legal standpoint. I'll leave that for the lawyers. When Lucas gets to the door, Billy is already at the corner of the little house. Lu... more
              • Jones/ I think Lucas, from his own description...Joyce A. Aros, Wed Apr 20 7:24
                ...never left his chair until he heard the first two shots. The first shot would have been the duel shots fired at the same time by Doc and Morgan, so close they sounded as one. The second one he hear... more
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