Joyce A. Aros
a question...
Wed Jul 13, 8:29


...which of the Defense witnesses were the most beneficial to the Earps' case? Any surprises?

    • re: a question...Jones, Fri Jul 15 0:33
      Not a lawyer! I expect one of the most important accepts of the hearing is what the cowboys did with their hands and who fired the first shots. Looks to me like Wyatt and Virgil are the most beneficial... more
        • THAT probably IS Nick's homework, Mom! (nm)Sharon Cunningham, Fri Jul 22 6:17
          • Nick’s Mother….B.J., Thu Jul 28 20:54
            I received several messages asking about the above topic. Many readers were not on this board many years ago when Nick had a very public meltdown after some professional historians confronted him per his... more
            • NiteAl....erik hewitt, Sun Aug 07 20:30
              That totally happened!
              • Re: NiteAl....B.J., Mon Aug 08 3:23
                Hey Erik, always good to hear from you. You’re one of the few historians who remember those twilight zone days of tombstone history. Ya can’t make this stuff up. A lot of macabre tombstone behavior... more
                • It was wild as the Old West!erik hewitt, Tue Aug 09 17:45
                  And YOU tamed it! A lot of old names not on the board anymore. A lot of new ones though. The old west lives on. Well done, BJ!
                  • Re: It was wild as the Old West!B.J., Thu Aug 11 2:04
                    I just do the cleaning up and occasionally flush the toilet. The many historians who take time to share their research and publications are the people who have made this board historically significant.... more
      • Re: re: a question...Bob Cash, Thu Jul 21 8:51
        Jones, I believe you misread Coleman's testimony about Billy Clanton. From Turner transcript "I was not in a position to see whether they threw their hands up or not when ordered, but was just in the act... more
        • re: Re: re: a question...Jones, Fri Jul 22 16:34
          Yes sir. You are correct. I put the post together from memory and notes. Should have put a caveat with it. When evaluating Coleman's testimony it's important to keep in mind that after the first... more
      • Jones/ looks like you have been up all night!Joyce A. Aros, Fri Jul 15 9:30
        ...Quite a piece of work and well done. I will try to examine them logically from the top if I can. I really appreciate so much thought being put into your effort. I hope I can decipher some of it as... more
    • Re: a question...B.J., Wed Jul 13 14:52
      The Prosecution’s Witness: Ike Clanton was the best Defense Witness.
      • The question was; which of the...Joyce A. Aros, Wed Jul 13 16:46
        ...DEFENSE witnesses was the most beneficial. No fair cheating, BJ! You have to do better than the 'old scapegoat' everyone falls back on.
        • Re: The question was; which of the...B.J., Wed Jul 13 21:13
          If you closely observed, assessed and read Ike’s rambling, inconsistent and semi-incoherent testimony (along with his publicly threatening the Chief of Police) Ike single handedly unraveled the... more
          • unravelingpaul j, Thu Jul 14 7:31
            Ike's unraveling of the prosecution case was what he said under cross-examination. So, in effect, it was the Defense team that elicited his most damaging testimony - the nature of his conspiracy with... more
            • Re: unravelingB.J., Thu Jul 14 21:43
              Thank Paul. That is an improved clarification of my previous post.
            • Paul/ thank you for your input...Joyce A. Aros, Thu Jul 14 9:08
              ...as this really becomes a convoluted discussion at times. I do not see Ike's admission of a conspiracy with Wyatt & Co. over the Benson stage talk. I see Ike relating from his point of view what the... more
              • Re: Paul/ thank you for your input...B.J., Wed Aug 03 23:11
                As Paul has indicated, Ike’s problem was subjecting himself to cross examination by the defense and devolving into off-script diatribes.
                • BJ/ off script?Joyce A. Aros, Thu Aug 04 6:29
                  Ike's testimony, according to my reading ability, consisted of questions from the Defense and direct answers from the witness, Ike Clanton. I am not aware of a written script referred to; fill me in on... more
                  • Re: BJ/ off script?B.J., Fri Aug 05 2:00
                    Joyce, do you really believe that Ike chose to provide testimony without being advised and prepped by the prosecution attorney’s? I think you're taking “off-script” a little too literally. You don’t... more
                    • BJ/ you are quite right...Joyce A. Aros, Fri Aug 05 5:31
                      I did take your comment too literally, but I wanted to make clear how badly the Prosecution lawyers handled the whole presentation. My newest book out is an extension of Turner's examination of the... more
          • BJ/ could you give me a few examples of Ike's...Joyce A. Aros, Thu Jul 14 5:51
            ...rambling, inconsistent and semi-incoherent testimony? It is hard to defend generalities. One needs a few recognizable details, but it should open up an interesting discussion that seems long over-due.... more
            • Joyce, if Ike's claim the Earp's were 'piping off" money (from the Benson stage robbery attempt) was true, why was there no evidence of an actual robbery and no reports of missing money?
              • BJ/ that is the $64,000 question...Joyce A. Aros, Fri Jul 15 7:06
                ...However, Ike did not actually claim the Earps and Holliday did the job. He was asked pre-planned questions which described all the events and he simply answered as to what the Earps and Holliday told... more