Joyce A. Aros
Jones/ looks like you have been up all night!
Fri Jul 15, 9:30


...Quite a piece of work and well done. I will try to examine them logically from the top if I can. I really appreciate so much thought being put into your effort. I hope I can decipher some of it as well as you did. Be prepared for my 'going off the rails, though!'

In the simplest terms; Coleman saw Billy RAISED his hands. If a fight was on the kid's mind as the Earp side claimed, why in the world would an experienced gun handler like young Clanton put himself in an obviously disadvantaged position? When you have four men approach with GUNS IN HAND (supported by Spicer himself) you can never be quick enough to outdraw any one of them!

Let's jump to the Earps' defense argument. So far Wyatt and Virgil are the only ones who claim Billy and Frank drew their guns! (except for Sills, who claims Billy fired first)

Coleman claims Billy went for his gun AFTER two shots had been fired! One of those shots was the first shot at Frank and the second was at Billy's right wrist. So Billy went for his gun after TWO shots were fired, not IMMEDIATELY. Billy had been shot in the right wrist by Morgan, and Coleman says Billy was reaching for his gun on his left hip. Billy was right-handed and would only wear a gun on the left hip if he wore cross-draw, which was common working cattle or riding a fair distance. That meant he had to try to draw with his left hand trying to relocate a grip facing for a right-hand draw while again being shot in the chest which destroyed his lung. He was sliding down the side of the building in pain and shock.

So Billy is now struggling to get his gun out of the holster according to two or three witnesses. If he shot at Wyatt first as Wyatt and Virgil claim...how did the gun get back in the holster for Billy to attempt to draw it with his undamaged left hand??? ...if the right hand was damaged according to witnesses.

  • re: a question...Jones, Fri Jul 15 0:33
    Not a lawyer! I expect one of the most important accepts of the hearing is what the cowboys did with their hands and who fired the first shots. Looks to me like Wyatt and Virgil are the most beneficial... more
      • THAT probably IS Nick's homework, Mom! (nm)Sharon Cunningham, Fri Jul 22 6:17
        • Nick’s Mother….B.J., Thu Jul 28 20:54
          I received several messages asking about the above topic. Many readers were not on this board many years ago when Nick had a very public meltdown after some professional historians confronted him per his... more
          • NiteAl....erik hewitt, Sun Aug 07 20:30
            That totally happened!
            • Re: NiteAl....B.J., Mon Aug 08 3:23
              Hey Erik, always good to hear from you. You’re one of the few historians who remember those twilight zone days of tombstone history. Ya can’t make this stuff up. A lot of macabre tombstone behavior... more
              • It was wild as the Old West!erik hewitt, Tue Aug 09 17:45
                And YOU tamed it! A lot of old names not on the board anymore. A lot of new ones though. The old west lives on. Well done, BJ!
                • Re: It was wild as the Old West!B.J., Thu Aug 11 2:04
                  I just do the cleaning up and occasionally flush the toilet. The many historians who take time to share their research and publications are the people who have made this board historically significant.... more
    • Re: re: a question...Bob Cash, Thu Jul 21 8:51
      Jones, I believe you misread Coleman's testimony about Billy Clanton. From Turner transcript "I was not in a position to see whether they threw their hands up or not when ordered, but was just in the act... more
      • re: Re: re: a question...Jones, Fri Jul 22 16:34
        Yes sir. You are correct. I put the post together from memory and notes. Should have put a caveat with it. When evaluating Coleman's testimony it's important to keep in mind that after the first... more
    • Jones/ looks like you have been up all night! — Joyce A. Aros, Fri Jul 15 9:30