olds
There's no gainsaying
Mon Sep 05, 9:31

that Newman and Redford shared a combustible "chemistry" that sparked on screen, both in "Butch Cassidy" and "The Sting." There was a kind of spontaneous back-and-forth energy between them that seemed to tease the best from each actor. That said, while Dean arguably was more "interior" in his approach to his work, there are moments, especially in "Rebel Without a Cause," where it is apparent that Dean could do comedy as well as drama, and it goes without saying that the "Western" as a genre was a comfortable fit for him re: "Giant."

Brando could do anything, if, big if, he was motivated to do it. It is more difficult, at least for me, to imagine Jack Lemon in either of those roles. Not that he wasn't an appealing, superlatively versatile, "everyman" actor, but was he ever in a Western? Hard to feature. (His own acting "partner" was Walter Matthau. Imagine that pairing in that film. Can't.)

What was Nicholson doing in 1969? (Oh yeah, "Easy Rider.") Either of those roles would have fit him like a glove, no?

Ah well, we have what we have and what we have is a cinematic classic of its kind. Goldman wrote a terrific screenplay. (Apparently he wrote his share of novels as well, something I did not know, though I do recall reading his book "Adventures in the Screen Trade" when it was published in 1983. Some good advice in there for aspiring writers.)


  • Re: Should have notedDaniel Buck, Sun Sep 04 19:56
    Different, definitely yes, but better, probably not since it's more of a comedy than a drama. Anyway, as I recall William Goldman was hung on Newman as Cassidy. As for really different, when Steve... more
    • There's no gainsaying — olds, Mon Sep 05 9:31
      • Re: There's no gainsayingerik hewitt, Mon Sep 05 21:42
        Dean was in three movies. Newman had Redford. Lemon had Matthau. Brando was Brando. Dean had Sal Mineo. Hardly a Jack Nicholson.
      • Lemmon's one & onlyJerry Prather, Mon Sep 05 11:21
        Howdy olds, I saw the movie COWBOY in my local theater when it first came out. I think this was Jack Lemmon's only big screen Western(thankfully). I totally enjoyed it in 1958, but when I have tried to... more
        • You can addolds, Mon Sep 05 16:09
          me to the list of those who have not seen Vidal's 1955 "The Death of Billy the Kid." Wonder what if any is the connection there to the 1989 Val Kilmer Kid TV film, also written by Vidal. I have seen... more
        • ps: Three GravesJerry Prather, Mon Sep 05 13:44
          Just watched the Zane Grey Theatre episode "Three Graves". Jack Lemmon rides into a town where no guns are allowed. He concocts a scheme to take over the town and gain the riches he assumes will follow.... more
          • Here's JackJerry Prather, Tue Sep 06 6:12
            I found that this has recently been added on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrOJPxQStsY
            • Geej whiz, Jerryolds, Tue Sep 06 14:04
              Imagine my disappointment when I clicked on your post entitled "Here's Jack" only to discover that the Jack you were referring to was Lemmon. (Yes, I know, that that was the subject at hand.) For me, as... more
              • A musical interlude for JackJerry Prather, Wed Sep 07 6:44
                Bruce, I didn't recognize the name Colin Hay, but Men At Work certainly rang a bell. Had not heard the song for quite a while. It and several others from them are great. So, here's "Looking For Jack":... more
              • Will the real Jack please stand upJerry Prather, Tue Sep 06 14:49
                Well, the real Jack actually was in the back of my mind when I wrote that. How could he not be? With inappropriate casting being discussed, how horrible would it have been if after that axe chopped the... more
          • Yes, andolds, Mon Sep 05 16:12
            Lee Remick and Shirley McLaine. (By the way, my mis-spelling of Lemmon in the prior post was inadvertent. No aspersion cast.)
      • Re: There's no gainsayingDaniel Buck, Mon Sep 05 9:46
        Goldman's most well known advice, about Hollywood, was “Nobody knows anything...... Not one person in the entire motion picture field knows for a certainty what's going to work. Every time out it's a guess... more
        • Well, Altman'solds, Mon Sep 05 16:45
          correct. Whether film or book or painting or musical composition, you as the maker have no way of knowing in advance if what you are making is going to "click," even less so if it is going to "stick."... more