olds
In other words
Sun Nov 13, 12:05

what we have here is a failure to communicate? Tell you what. Let's make a deal. If I accept half the blame for not expressing myself clearly (or perhaps too clearly since clarity, like compression, so often only confounds) would you be willing to accept the other half for not understanding?

My grandfather beat you by one grade. Made it to the 6th by the skin of his teeth before replacing his own prematurely deceased father in the copper mines as a pre-teen, the same mines that had buried his dad in a collapse and cave-in. Debatable, though, whether he had more common sense than his neighbors. I loved the guy, but he was an ornery, obstinate, obstreperous, opinionated sort--which is part of why I loved him. Wound up clocking his shift boss in the head with his lunchpail which, needless to say, got him sacked on the spot before his first year "below" was out.

I'll say this. If your formal education stopped short of the 5th grade, judging by the quality of your posts, you can only be some sort of auto-didact, as, by the way, was my grandfather. Sterling c.v.'s and fancy credentials are all well and good, but Mark Twain left school after the 5th grade, Herman Melville at 12, and George Bernard Shaw at 14; neither Hemingway nor Dylan Thomas made it past high school; and Scott Fitzgerald was a dismal college dropout. Seems to me you're in good company.

  • Olds/ it is only fair to tell you...,.Joyce A. Aros, Sun Nov 13 11:18
    ...that you are talking to someone who never completed the fifth grade and so am considered a fourth grade idiot. What that amounts to is I haven't the faintest idea what the heck you are talking about,... more
    • In other words — olds, Sun Nov 13 12:05
      • Joyce Aros!Sharon Cunningham, Mon Nov 14 13:31
        Olds, wordsmith that you are.... please know that you are 100% correct in that Joyce Aros is In wonderful company... and she can dang well hold her own with the lot of them!
      • Olds/ a good deal....Joyce A. Aros, Sun Nov 13 13:54
        ...I have no trouble accepting responsibility. I'd just like Spicer and a few others to be held accountable if only in absentia. (spelling?) And I thank you for reassuring me that lack of sufficient... more
      • Forgot to add--olds, Sun Nov 13 12:31
        Faulkner was a high school dropout as well. Anyone see a pattern here? Thomas, not Tom, Wolfe, on the other hand, had a graduate degree from Harvard, which perhaps explains why he is virtually unreadable.... more
        • Faulkner ages well (nm)Dan Brown, Sun Nov 13 18:58
          • Exactly.olds, Sun Nov 13 19:48
            And like many if not most writers of his caliber, not that there are many, his work benefits from re-reading. Someone, a teacher probably, once counseled me that one of the criteria when appraising... more
            • Yes, absolutelyDan Brown, Tue Nov 15 10:55
              We grow together, the book and I. There is an alchemy in the experience.
              • That's the word,olds, Tue Nov 15 14:55
                and it's a good one--alchemy. Only the best work affords the reader that experience. (There's a reason it's called the PHILOSOPHER'S stone.) Evan Connell, he of the terrific "Son of the Morning Star,"... more