Joyce A. Aros
remarkable flub-ups...
Sat Nov 19, 10:25


Casey, you have really been up all night on this one, I think, and now it will keep me up all night! Thanks a lot!

But I don't have enough sense to quit even though I am only a little behind. I, too, am concerned about how Ike found these guys, but, as I already stated, I assume Ike knew them through other business enterprises which were often legitimate, of course, but did not really know one kind of lawyer from another, and frankly, neither do I.

But I am puzzled at the purported expertise of all these hot-shots when they seem to really fall short on some things I would expect them to enlarge upon for the sake of their case. Perhaps it is because I have no legal knowledge and tend to respond as 'the-man-on-the -street,' so to speak.

For example, I would expect the Prosecution to subpoena the fellow Frank was walking and talking with on Fremont just before Behan caught up with him. Would it not be beneficial to learn what was discussed and whether it had anything to do with Frank's immediate plans? Would it establish if Frank was there for trouble or business; what his attitude was, his concerns? Are these the things a lawyer would want to develop to protect his client or am I off base?

I would also think that the Prosecution might want to establish why the 'posse' continued to pursue the ranchers when they tried to claim that Behan had told them he had disarmed them! Why did they say they believed him but they continued to approach men unarmed by the county sheriff and therefore no danger? Why would a lawyer pass that up? Would he not want to expose the 'posse's' true motive?

Why would the Prosecution establish why Behan claimed nothing was said by Virgil to indicate their approach was lawful, not personal. Behan was convinced it was personal and aggressive.

Things like this weigh on me. Good lawyers should not have gone right on by some beneficial statements. Perhaps Mr. Gatto can help me out here if I am off the mark.

  • Truly a Dream TeamCasey Tefertiller, Sat Nov 19 8:38
    Joyce, You present a fascinating piece of sophistry on how Ike Clanton managed to select a remarkable bunch of boobs to run the prosecution of the Earps. You claim they were a bunch of mining attorneys... more
    • Casey/ a little more about...Joyce A. Aros, Sun Nov 20 6:48
      ...the 'dream team,' on both sides. I am really concerned about the willingness to accept the outstanding credentials of these men and yet I see what I consider very poor performance. I suspicion their... more
      • Let's try againCasey Tefertiller, Mon Nov 21 8:51
        Joyce, Let me try again. The purpose for attorneys on both sides was to win the case. That was their sole purpose. They were not trying to create a historical record because they anticipated... more
        • Casey/ trying again...Joyce A. Aros, Tue Nov 22 7:29
          Casey, Thank you for the crash course as there is always much to learn when it comes to complications of the Law at any time in history, and more so now. And in all fairness, one has to recognize that... more
          • Re: Casey/ trying again...Casey Tefertiller, Wed Nov 23 10:34
            Joyce, Before I can respond, I need to ask a couple of questions. First, why do you believe Billy Clanton was still sitting on his horse? I would have expected he would have dismounted, but that... more
            • To continue,,,,,Joyce A. Aros, Wed Nov 23 15:58
              ...I think you are being a little unfair in assuming Ike was 'shooting off his mouth' to anyone he could. Actually, other than the episode in the courtroom after Virgil arrested him, no one who witnessed... more
            • Casey/ Thank you for your kindness....Joyce A. Aros, Wed Nov 23 13:44
              ...regarding the Holliday time. People my age find that most of their family are spread all over the country and time and distance make a difference in gathering together. No one comes to grandma's house... more