Patrick mulligan
Wyatt/Ike at the lot
Tue Dec 20, 2022 15:57

I have reread the testimony and neither Ike nor wyatt say that a shot was fired during their wrestling match.
Can you tell me what you based Wyatt firing while Ike held him comes from ?

  • Behan and Hitching PostsJones, Mon Apr 11 2022 13:41
    I'm ok with Behan's testimony. He doesn't see any of the scramble after the first two shots. The only thing he seems to know about after the first two shots is that Ike ran into Fly's after the fifth... more
    • Wyatt/Ike at the lot — Patrick mulligan, Tue Dec 20 2022 15:57
      • re: Wyatt/Ike at the lotJones, Thu Dec 22 2022 19:22
        Testamony Trial Hayhurst: (Q) At the time the Earp party and Holliday came up to where you and the McLaurys and Bill Clanton were standing, what, if anything, did Wyatt Earp do? (A) He shoved his pistol... more
    • Where's the nickel-plated pistol?Jerry Prather, Mon Apr 11 2022 14:45
      If those were actually the first 4 shots, why all the concern from prosecution witnesses about the nickel-plated pistol. Behan: "the nickel-plated pistol was the first to fire". These witnesses seemed... more
      • DeterminedJones, Mon Apr 11 2022 16:26
        "These witnesses seemed determined to ..." I expect this is at least some of the reason we view things differently. I don't see them as being determined to do anything. Just witnesses telling what they... more
        • Jones/determined....Joyce A. Aros, Mon Apr 11 2022 19:10
          ...It is only fair to offer 'the benefit of the doubt' to all the witnesses and as you say, most were truth tellers, at least six seem quite reliable. We have people caught in the moment and others... more
          • Nugget reportingPat Mulligan, Wed Aug 17 2022 11:45
            Joyce Since you are so inclined to believe the Nugget's reporting why not re read what their original story on the gunfight said. I think it was the most truthful telling of the shootout before the... more
          • TestimoniesJones, Tue Apr 12 2022 12:42
            I found value in all the testimonies. Even those, that for whatever reason, are incorrect. Regarding the testimony: I think people under estimate how much is missing. Ike spent two or three days... more
            • Testmonies, are there missing bits.Gail Allan, Tue Apr 12 2022 21:02
              I do not think there are missing parts of the testimony. Here's why. We have the original court reporters pages, and the Nugget's reporting for the Coroner's inquest. Keep in mind the Nugget's reporter... more
              • re: are there missing bitsJones, Wed Apr 13 2022 10:32
                Ike Clanton's testimony November 9-15, 1881 Ike spent four days in the court room. The entirety of his testimony can be read aloud in one hour. That's a lot of court room time for what little verbiage... more
                • have you read the Nuggets original story?Pat Mulligan, Wed Aug 17 2022 11:49
                  Jones Have you read the original story on the shootout from the Nugget? Do you know who the Aurthor was? Both are important as to testimony changing between the actual event and the Hearing,
                  • re: have you read the Nuggets original story?Jones, Fri Aug 19 2022 8:05
                    The sim was made from only using sworn testimonies. For the most part, I tried to avoid taking in info from other places until I was satisfied the fight had sorted itself out well enough. I just reread,... more
                    • writter of the Nugget Article on the gunfightPatrick mulligan, Tue Dec 20 2022 16:06
                      The writer of the Article was none other than the Undersheriff for John Behan. He was also the editor of the Nugget. Now think of what he saw, who might he have interviewed before Woods wrote the... more
                      • re: writter of the Nugget Article on the gunfightJones, Thu Dec 22 2022 19:27
                        Interesting combination of jobs. Law officer/editor. I do think there is a difference between sworn testimony and a news article. The news article may very well have useful info. The sim was created... more
                • Testimonies and courtroom time.Gail Allan, Wed Apr 13 2022 12:06
                  Jones if you've ever been in a courtroom you'll know it takes a lot more time to get the work done than just the time it would take to read the transcripts out loud. I was in a jury on a medical malpractice... more
                  • re: Testimonies and courtroom timeJones, Wed Apr 13 2022 13:18
                    I've managed to dodge jury duty up to this point so I'll take your word for it. I didn't realize that only one hour of the spoken word was the norm for a weeks worth of testimony. Only the government... more
            • Testimonies...Joyce A. Aros, Tue Apr 12 2022 17:22
              I am evaluating the whole thing from the existing recorded testimonies. I do not change a word. I know that there are sure to be many other words spoken at the time but we don't have those, do we? So we... more
              • Jones/follow up to testimonies.....Joyce A. Aros, Tue Apr 12 2022 18:21
                ...please note in Virgil's testimony how he focuses on Billy Clanton, completely condensing the whole scenario by eliminating the attack on Frank and the shotgun blast at Tom. Virgil focuses totally... more
                • re: testimoniesJones, Tue Apr 12 2022 20:49
                  Agree with you on the Earp brothers story. I think the video is plenty clear about my opinion of the lawman story. I think they chose Billy as the initial shooter because he was farthest into the vacant... more