I have reread the testimony and neither Ike nor wyatt say that a shot was fired during their wrestling match.
Can you tell me what you based Wyatt firing while Ike held him comes from ?
I'm ok with Behan's testimony. He doesn't see any of the scramble after the first two shots. The only thing he seems to know about after the first two shots is that Ike ran into Fly's after the fifth... more
Wyatt/Ike at the lot — Patrick mulligan,Tue Dec 20 2022 15:57
Testamony Trial Hayhurst: (Q) At the time the Earp party and Holliday came up to where you and the McLaurys and Bill Clanton were standing, what, if anything, did Wyatt Earp do? (A) He shoved his pistol... more
If those were actually the first 4 shots, why all the concern from prosecution witnesses about the nickel-plated pistol. Behan: "the nickel-plated pistol was the first to fire". These witnesses seemed... more
"These witnesses seemed determined to ..." I expect this is at least some of the reason we view things differently. I don't see them as being determined to do anything. Just witnesses telling what they... more
...It is only fair to offer 'the benefit of the doubt' to all the witnesses and as you say, most were truth tellers, at least six seem quite reliable. We have people caught in the moment and others... more
Joyce Since you are so inclined to believe the Nugget's reporting why not re read what their original story on the gunfight said. I think it was the most truthful telling of the shootout before the... more
I found value in all the testimonies. Even those, that for whatever reason, are incorrect. Regarding the testimony: I think people under estimate how much is missing. Ike spent two or three days... more
I do not think there are missing parts of the testimony. Here's why. We have the original court reporters pages, and the Nugget's reporting for the Coroner's inquest. Keep in mind the Nugget's reporter... more
Ike Clanton's testimony November 9-15, 1881 Ike spent four days in the court room. The entirety of his testimony can be read aloud in one hour. That's a lot of court room time for what little verbiage... more
Jones Have you read the original story on the shootout from the Nugget? Do you know who the Aurthor was? Both are important as to testimony changing between the actual event and the Hearing,
The sim was made from only using sworn testimonies. For the most part, I tried to avoid taking in info from other places until I was satisfied the fight had sorted itself out well enough. I just reread,... more
The writer of the Article was none other than the Undersheriff for John Behan. He was also the editor of the Nugget. Now think of what he saw, who might he have interviewed before Woods wrote the... more
Interesting combination of jobs. Law officer/editor. I do think there is a difference between sworn testimony and a news article. The news article may very well have useful info. The sim was created... more
Jones if you've ever been in a courtroom you'll know it takes a lot more time to get the work done than just the time it would take to read the transcripts out loud. I was in a jury on a medical malpractice... more
I've managed to dodge jury duty up to this point so I'll take your word for it. I didn't realize that only one hour of the spoken word was the norm for a weeks worth of testimony. Only the government... more
I am evaluating the whole thing from the existing recorded testimonies. I do not change a word. I know that there are sure to be many other words spoken at the time but we don't have those, do we? So we... more
...please note in Virgil's testimony how he focuses on Billy Clanton, completely condensing the whole scenario by eliminating the attack on Frank and the shotgun blast at Tom. Virgil focuses totally... more
Agree with you on the Earp brothers story. I think the video is plenty clear about my opinion of the lawman story. I think they chose Billy as the initial shooter because he was farthest into the vacant... more