Peter Brand
Milt Joyce
Wed Dec 28, 2022 12:54

Milt Joyce did not let the matter go. He had influence and he used it. He had his clash with Holliday referred to the Grand Jury and they found a case against Holliday. The County then had to follow up. Doc's lawyer tried to challenge the finding based on the selection of the Grand Jury. This objection was dismissed. Doc's lawyer then asked for a change of venue. None of this was related to the Benson stage attack. It was all about Milt Joyce taking revenge on Doc. The claim that Holliday was involved in the Benson stage attack never went to the Grand Jury. It was dismissed in the local court. So, you may chasing your tail on this one.
Bartholomew was rabid anti-Earp, so anything he states needs to be investigated thoroughly in order to firstly rule out his obvious bias. The same is very true of others today.
Cheers
PB

  • prosecution witnesses — bfrey, Wed Dec 28 2022 10:11
    So in the first case against Doc in which he shot Joyce in the hand, the records state none of the prosecution witnesses appeared. Doc paid a fine and it was dropped. In his other court case involving... more
    • Milt Joyce — Peter Brand, Wed Dec 28 2022 12:54
      • And of course — Butch Badon, Wed Jan 04 13:14
        We know all the pro-Earp biographers (Lake, et al) had no biases (sarcasm). As far as I am concerned no writer's work should be taken at face value. Everything needs to be checked and there are no exclusions... more
        • Butch/ and of course... — Joyce A. Aros, Thu Jan 05 4:40
          You are so right. It is a lesson in humility. I read my own books randomly from time to time and still find things I wish I had worded better or actual errors. (not a lot, thank goodness!) I find such... more
          • You're on the right track — Butch Badon, Thu Jan 05 11:19
            Joyce. However, everyone (including me) has an agenda. The difficulty is to review our work to recognize those instances where our bias has overridden facts. Once we recognize those errors, we have... more
            • Butch/ bias and then; bias... — Joyce A. Aros, Fri Jan 06 6:46
              I think bias is often over-used just because someone has accepted support for a certain viewpoint if the evidence can be supported. Not to be a public bore; and I have used it over and over...Ike... more
              • ? — Charlie, Tue Jan 31 8:52
                I'm wondering if the Clantons were such honest ranchers why was 'old man Clanton' killed by Mexicans in Guadalupe canyon? Gee what was he doing there?
                • ?/ Charlie.... — Joyce A. Aros, Wed Feb 01 9:20
                  ...good question; but if it is a question, could you be a little more specific? Just what was the reason for any white man to be moving cattle along the border area in the 1880's? Was it always rustling?... more
                • Re: ? — B.J., Wed Feb 01 1:34
                  Clanton was not involved in cattle rustling. He was ambushed and killed while bird watching on the mexican border.
                  • Yup!... — Joyce A. Aros, Wed Feb 01 9:22
                    ...there you go! More of the same. What is the back-up; that's what I would like to see.
      • local court... — bfrey, Thu Dec 29 2022 9:07
        So the matter didn't go to the grand jury? Behan made a report and referred charges. It than went to a local court hearing and 3 witnesses were called and testified. We do not have any records of this... more
        • I don't know — Butch Badon, Thu Jan 05 13:56
          But if it did not go to the grand jury, it was because Lyttleton Price didn't want it to. Price, according to some reports, would not prosecute any "bad man." Some folks just don't believe Price had... more
      • chasing my tail... — Joyce A. Aros, Wed Dec 28 2022 13:09
        ...No doubt you are correct, but I am chasing my tail not on the incident with Milt Joyce but on Holliday's connection with the Benson stage event. I felt the newspaper journalists did not do enough... more
        • Reporters — Butch Badon, Thu Jan 05 14:19
          in that era tended to be more sensational than they are today. One example I can cite is at least two accounts of the citizens (they are not specifically named in the Epitaph report except that they were... more
          • Just curious, how is the Epitaph quilty of... — DL Staley, Fri Jan 06 7:36
            sensationalism and racism when they are reporting what John Behan said? HE gave a long testimony of his meeting with the Chinese concluded by saying that "John Chinaman would leave when he got good... more
            • DL — Butch Badon, Fri Jan 06 13:50
              For me, racism is rather easy to spot and this (story) shouts its racism and sensationalism rather loud. Yes, many Tombstonites of the late 1800s wanted the Chinese to leave the city. They wanted the... more
              • DL — gobs, Mon Jan 09 7:32
                Sanity at last
              • Thanks for your reply... — DL Staley, Sun Jan 08 7:39
                Seems nothing has changed with the "news" media.
                • Well, — Butch Badon, Sun Jan 08 16:56
                  some aspects of it anyway. But there are a few solid journalists out there doing some excellent work. Butch
              • racism is racism no matter where or when... — erik hewitt, Sat Jan 07 20:34
                If you wanna preach from your pirogue down on the bayou, understand the language you use to do it. Define "race"
                • erick/ and it will never... — Joyce A. Aros, Mon Jan 30 6:51
                  ... go away until everyone stops feeding it as a daily diet. The news media, especially!
                • define race — Butch Badon, Sun Jan 08 18:07
                  Race: An athletic event in which a number of human beings travel a specific distance using their legs to get from point A to point B in as little time as possible. The one who travels the fastest and... more
                  • Define race — Sharon Cunningham, Tue Jan 31 7:12
                    RIGHT ON, BUTCH!!!
                    • Re: Define race — B.J., Wed Feb 01 1:41
                      If Butch had his way in college, he would be able to solve the quadratic equation using his 8th grade arithmetic skills. 🤔
                    • Re: Define race — B.J., Wed Feb 01 0:27
                      Tunnel vision is not a vice of the educated.
                • I don't — Butch Badon, Sun Jan 08 18:03
                  live along da Bayou any longer.
    • There does not seem to be any... — Joyce A. Aros, Wed Dec 28 2022 11:26
      ...concrete answers. One can only try to connect the dots, apply reason and logic. It is like a Detective on a dead murder case; constant alertness to any clue down the road and sometimes the truth begins... more