Oh Bob.
Tue May 02, 16:35

Wrote a replay to your post below, but it appears that it posted to your archived seven-year-old reply to Kenny and does not show up here au courant, so here is the gist of it as best I can recoup and recompose.

Bob, do you really believe that "Boyer had it right"? Certainly your prerogative, but difficult to understand how a person of your self-evident perspicacity and fair-mindedness conceivably could "think" that. I mean, Boyer after all. Need more be said? ("Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown.")

I suppose I get the impulse on the part of certain folks (who shall remain nameless) to, I won't say worship, but twist themselves into Gordian Knots to explain the inexplicable or defend the indefensible or ignore or rationalize his documented history of dissembling or even his criminal record with respect to Wyatt Earp, but vis-a-vis his claim to have premeditatively murdered Ringo? And as head of a posse no less? No, that one, sorry, is not only difficult to swallow, it is rancidly unpalatable, and the points you cite in your argument suggesting otherwise are in my estimation, particularly when considered in the context of all the evidence to the contrary, not only unpersuasive, but extraordinarily flimsy, the thinnest of thin reeds. (This is not to suggest that all equal, Wyatt was not capable of such an act, he unquestionably was, only that in this instance it never happened. Both logistics and logic preclude and foreclose the possibility.)

Anyway, you are not wrong to suggest that I am someone of "little faith." In fact I would go further. I would insist that I am someone of no faith whatever. I know that you were being tongue-in-cheek in when you wrote that, but the truth is that faith has no place in trying to get at the historical facts of any matter. Logic, reason, analytical and interpretive skill, common sense, on occasion even informed intuition do, but not faith. I have no more faith in the word of Wyatt Earrp than I do in that of his detractors. In these matters I am Switzerland, and Switzerland is not only not buying for a second Earp's claim, it is wondering why in heaven's name he made it in the first place.

I think that, if less eloquently, is pretty much what I wrote the first time.

    • Re: oldsAnonymous, Tue May 02 22:11
      Bruce, in terms of Boyer, all I said was he was probably right in saying that, if Wyatt did retrn to Arzona to whack Ringo, he distorted the space/time continuim fgfd
      • That's an awfully large if,olds, Wed May 03 9:39
        don't you think, Bob? Moreover, Boyer's "distortion" theory sounds (to me) less like a plausible interpretation of the facts than an after-the-fact rationalization to "cover" for Wyatt's implausible... more
        • Re: That's an awfully large if,Bob Cash, Thu May 04 22:51
          You write: That's an awfully large if, don't you think, Bob? Moreover, Boyer's "distortion" theory sounds (to me) less like a plausible interpretation of the facts than an after-the-fact rationalization... more
          • What am I missing?olds, Fri May 05 8:48
            There is, in my opinion, no call for speculation and supposition, Boyer's or anyone else's, other than to speculate about, which is to say question why Wyatt so late in the day fabricated his "I killed... more
            • Re: What am I missing?Bob Cash, Tue May 09 9:35
              Olds, your whole premise seems to be that there is no use in discussing whether Ringo's death was a suicide or homicide and therefore no use in discussing who the possible killer was if it was the latter.... more
              • You're mainly right, Bob.olds, Tue May 09 18:04
                That is almost my whole premise. That said, I would hesitate to suggest "that there is no use in discussing Ringo's death." Discuss away, especially after quaffing a pint or two, if that's your druthers,... more
                • Ringo's Enemies Llist # 1Bob Cash, Sat May 13 8:38
                  Olds, you write: You remark that "Ringo had so many enemies." I don't disagree, though it would be helpful if you named them so we might know who you have in mind. A lot of folks in that place at that... more
                  • Will I never learn?olds, Sat May 13 11:08
                    Bob, I replied to your post here, but to find it you will need to click on the link to Lynn's post which apparently is the one I responded to instead of yours. I made this mistake previously. If it happens... more
                  • Ringo's Enemy List # 2Anonymous, Sat May 13 9:38
                    Another possibility is someone acting on behalf of sheepman James Martin https://nediscapp.herokuapp.com/discussion.cgi?disc=39627&article=29196&page=0 (I rememember Steve Gatto had some problem... more
                    • No, I will never learn.olds, Sat May 13 13:24
                      Did it again, Bob. You will need to click on the link to see my reply. This is getting scary. What is it that Einstein is purported to have said about his definition of insanity?
                • Re: You're mainly right, Bob.Bob Cash, Fri May 12 10:16
                  Here’s the article you requsted , Olds. A reprint of a recent article in the Tombstone Prospector in the March 22nd issue of the Arizona Weekly Enterprise states: "The inquests held in Cochise county from... more
                  • Thanks, Bob. Appreciate it.olds, Fri May 12 17:48
                    What immediately piqued my interest was the statement, "There is more than one man living in Cochise County who knows who did it." How would PROSPECTOR, who might as well have signed off as "Anonymous,"... more
                    • Re: Thanks, Bob. Appreciate it.Bob Cash, Mon May 15 9:29
                      Olds, you write, "I needn't mention that both Jack Burrows and Gary Roberts are satisfied that Ringo was a suicide. I will be gobsmacked if Gatto isn't as well." Okay, you've played your Burrows, Roberts,... more
                      • LOL.olds, Mon May 15 13:43
                        The Morey card is an excellent one. Well-played, Bob. I am probably Jeff's biggest fan, as I am a fast friend, and respect his opinions in these matters without reservation, so I've been aware of his... more
                    • Re: Thanks, Bob. Appreciate it.Anonymous, Sat May 13 22:28
                      Olds, I'm pretty sure that this means it was a reprint from the TOMBSTONE PROSPRECTOR newspaper. Gatto believes Ringo committed suicide. Because of the upside down gun belt, the missing piece of... more
                      • Thanks for those articles.olds, Sun May 14 8:51
                        Fascinating stuff. End of the day, all considered, what it comes down to, I suppose, is how one weighs the importance of one fact or factor against or over another, and ultimately that is a subjective... more
                        • By the way, Bob,olds, Sun May 14 11:35
                          if the source of those statements was a newspaper and not a person--and thanks for setting me straight on that--it changes nothing save to discredit that newspaper owing to its appalling lack of journalistic... more
                        • Re: Thanks for those articles.Bob Cash, Sun May 14 10:04
                          olds, you asked: You mention law enforcement officers. Are you including in that group forensic profilers and psychologists? I don't know. At least two are still posting, one who says Ringo's death is... more
                          • That letter in Ringo's pocket....Robert Buckley, Sun May 14 12:10
                            I've always leaned toward Ringo shooting himself....but, that letter in Ringo's pocket at the time of his death gives me pause. The letter was from the law office of James A. Zabriskie. Zabriskie was... more
                            • Re: That letter in Ringo's pocket....Bob Cash, Thu May 18 8:51
                              I don't know anything about the Tiffany case, Robert, but wasn't Zabriskie a top notch defense lawyer? Maybe it had something to do with charges against Ringo concerning shooting the guy for not accepting... more
                              • Re: Re: That letter in Ringo's pocket....Robert Buckley, Thu May 18 18:26
                                Bob, Zabriskie was the United States Disrict Attorney for the Territory of Arizona at that time. Actually, Zabriskie was named to that position a few days after Ringo's death if my memory is correct.... more
                  • Re: Re: You're mainly right, Bob.Anonymous, Fri May 12 10:23
                    Another article of interest. https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84024828/1890-01-18/ed-1/seq-2/#date1=1836&index=1&date2=1922&searchType=advanced&language=&sequence=0&words=John+Ringold&proxd... more
                    • Thanks again, Bob, especiallyolds, Fri May 12 18:23
                      for including the hunted-and-pecked "translation" of the article. (Couldn't read that one either.) Sorry, but I am unimpressed by the newspaper's crediting Leslie with "Ringold's" killing. Not only... more
            • Re: What am I missing?Bob Cash, Fri May 05 9:28
              I thought you said you were concerned about my finger. I'l have to start hunting and pecking on this late this weekend.
              • I misspoke.olds, Fri May 05 9:52
                I am concerned about ALL your fingers. The thumbs less so, sorry, but even those opposable digits to a certain extent. I only hope that yours are not afflicted by arthritis as are mine, though not of the... more
                • ... find of a contemporary source on ngo's death that I know of. From Steve Gatto: https://nediscapp.herokuapp.com/discussion.cgi?disc=39627&article=38777&search_page=3&search_term=Ringo Interesting... more
        • Tom and Olds...Bob Cash, Thu May 04 13:51
          I worked all last evening to answer each of your responses to me to the extent that I'm afraid I'm doing real damage to my single typing finger. Work and a family medical appointment have intervened but... more
          • Thanks, Bob.olds, Fri May 05 10:56
            Yes, I am aware of the info Gatto posted and have no bone to pick with it save with the phrase "aberration of the mind." The motivation behind any suicide needn't be aberrant in that sense. It sometimes... more
          • Re: Tom and Olds...B.J., Thu May 04 23:04
            Hey Bob, thank you for letting me know per your typing skills. I thought that I was the only historian using the 'Hunt & peck' method of keyboard posting. : )
          • Save your finger and fight on another day! LOL (nm)Tom Gaumer, Thu May 04 17:35
            • stiff upper lip, as the...Joyce A. Aros, Thu May 04 19:13
              ... Britts always say. All joking aside, just a word of encouragement. I do hope you and your family will be able to endure the constant strain of medical concerns. I, of course, do not know what you... more
              • Re: stiff upper lip, as the...B.J., Fri May 05 1:46
                Joyce, you do realize the redcoats burned down the capital during the war of 1812? 🇬🇧 Of course this was prior to the domestic terrorists who invaded the re-built capital.
              • Thank you, Joyce.Anonymous, Thu May 04 22:50
                Your friendship (and Tom's) is one of the great perks I've recieved from getting into this infernal subject. Which begs the question, how can one as kind and generous as you (and this goes for Tom, too),... more
                • Consider this possibilityTom Gaumer, Sat May 06 18:44
                  Each of us might be right on some things and wrong on others and discussion of the content and details might allow everyone learn and become wise? Keep Laughing Tom Virgil had no need to go down on... more
                • the age of enlightenment....Joyce A. Aros, Fri May 05 6:55
                  ...surely you all must have recognized we live in a time when good is bad and bad is good! So our little distractions like playing on BJ's help us keep our senses and rise above it. It will get worse... more
                • Re: Thank you, Joyce.B.J., Fri May 05 1:50
                  I used to be married so I have a lot of experience being wrong.🤓
          • Ah, so you'reolds, Thu May 04 14:11
            a hunt-and-peck guy, eh Bob? Nothing wrong with that if it works for you. Lot of you guys in the newsrooms I used to frequent, some of them faster on the keystroke than those of us saddled with doing it... more
      • Re: Re: oldsBob Cash, Tue May 02 22:12
        Well, that went well. I believe I will try again in the morning.