BJ’s Tombstone History Discussion Forum

Olds, your whole premise seems to be that there is no use in discussing whether Ringo's death was a suicide or homicide and therefore no use in discussing who the possible killer was if it was the latter. I believe there are so many unanswered questions about the death scene and because Ringo had so many enemies that the possibility of homicide must be considered. I think that the strongest argument for suicide yet will be available soon when Steve Gatto finally publishes his long-anticipated revision of his John Ringo bio.

In the meantime, it's things like this that keep me speculating:
https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn94052364/1890-03-22/ed-1/seq-4/#date1=1770&sort=date&date2=1963&searchType=advanced&language=&sequence=0&index=14&words=John+Ringo&proxdistance=5&rows=20&ortext=&proxtext=&phrasetext=John+Ringo&andtext=&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1

What am I missing? — olds, Fri May 05 8:48
There is, in my opinion, no call for speculation and supposition, Boyer's or anyone else's, other than to speculate about, which is to say question why Wyatt so late in the day fabricated his "I killed... more
- Re: What am I missing? — Bob Cash, Tue May 09 9:35
- - You're mainly right, Bob. — olds, Tue May 09 18:04
    That is almost my whole premise. That said, I would hesitate to suggest "that there is no use in discussing Ringo's death." Discuss away, especially after quaffing a pint or two, if that's your druthers,... more
  - - Ringo's Enemies Llist # 1 — Bob Cash, Sat May 13 8:38
      Olds, you write: You remark that "Ringo had so many enemies." I don't disagree, though it would be helpful if you named them so we might know who you have in mind. A lot of folks in that place at that... more
    - - Will I never learn? — olds, Sat May 13 11:08
        Bob, I replied to your post here, but to find it you will need to click on the link to Lynn's post which apparently is the one I responded to instead of yours. I made this mistake previously. If it happens... more
    - - Ringo's Enemy List # 2 — Anonymous, Sat May 13 9:38
        Another possibility is someone acting on behalf of sheepman James Martin https://nediscapp.herokuapp.com/discussion.cgi?disc=39627&article=29196&page=0 (I rememember Steve Gatto had some problem... more
      - No, I will never learn. — olds, Sat May 13 13:24
        Did it again, Bob. You will need to click on the link to see my reply. This is getting scary. What is it that Einstein is purported to have said about his definition of insanity?
  - - Re: You're mainly right, Bob. — Bob Cash, Fri May 12 10:16
      Here’s the article you requsted , Olds. A reprint of a recent article in the Tombstone Prospector in the March 22nd issue of the Arizona Weekly Enterprise states: "The inquests held in Cochise county from... more
    - - Thanks, Bob. Appreciate it. — olds, Fri May 12 17:48
        What immediately piqued my interest was the statement, "There is more than one man living in Cochise County who knows who did it." How would PROSPECTOR, who might as well have signed off as "Anonymous,"... more
      - Re: Thanks, Bob. Appreciate it. — Bob Cash, Mon May 15 9:29
        Olds, you write, "I needn't mention that both Jack Burrows and Gary Roberts are satisfied that Ringo was a suicide. I will be gobsmacked if Gatto isn't as well." Okay, you've played your Burrows, Roberts,... more
        
        LOL. — olds, Mon May 15 13:43
        The Morey card is an excellent one. Well-played, Bob. I am probably Jeff's biggest fan, as I am a fast friend, and respect his opinions in these matters without reservation, so I've been aware of his... more
      - Re: Thanks, Bob. Appreciate it. — Anonymous, Sat May 13 22:28
        Olds, I'm pretty sure that this means it was a reprint from the TOMBSTONE PROSPRECTOR newspaper. Gatto believes Ringo committed suicide. Because of the upside down gun belt, the missing piece of... more
        
        Thanks for those articles. — olds, Sun May 14 8:51
        Fascinating stuff. End of the day, all considered, what it comes down to, I suppose, is how one weighs the importance of one fact or factor against or over another, and ultimately that is a subjective... more
        
        By the way, Bob, — olds, Sun May 14 11:35
        if the source of those statements was a newspaper and not a person--and thanks for setting me straight on that--it changes nothing save to discredit that newspaper owing to its appalling lack of journalistic... more
        
        Re: Thanks for those articles. — Bob Cash, Sun May 14 10:04
        olds, you asked: You mention law enforcement officers. Are you including in that group forensic profilers and psychologists? I don't know. At least two are still posting, one who says Ringo's death is... more
        
        That letter in Ringo's pocket.... — Robert Buckley, Sun May 14 12:10
        I've always leaned toward Ringo shooting himself....but, that letter in Ringo's pocket at the time of his death gives me pause. The letter was from the law office of James A. Zabriskie. Zabriskie was... more
        
        Re: That letter in Ringo's pocket.... — Bob Cash, Thu May 18 8:51
        I don't know anything about the Tiffany case, Robert, but wasn't Zabriskie a top notch defense lawyer? Maybe it had something to do with charges against Ringo concerning shooting the guy for not accepting... more
        
        Re: Re: That letter in Ringo's pocket.... — Robert Buckley, Thu May 18 18:26
        Bob, Zabriskie was the United States Disrict Attorney for the Territory of Arizona at that time. Actually, Zabriskie was named to that position a few days after Ringo's death if my memory is correct.... more
        
        Re: Re: Re: That letter in Ringo's pocket.... — Bob Cash, Sat May 20 22:56
        Thank you so much, Robert, for pointing out that independent researchers could lon into the JSTOR site. Over the last 15 years or so I have again and again pulled up the first pages of articles I wanted... more
        
        Bob, another article on JSTOR — Robert Buckley, Sun May 21 16:10
        Bob,it sounds like you have some catching up to do on JSTOR. I'll get you started with one of my favorite articles on the site. It was published in 1970 by the Montana Historical Society and written... more
        
        Re: Bob, another article on JSTOR — Bob Cash, Thu May 25 10:17
        Thank you again, Robert. I truly appreciate it. This guy Robetts had some pretty interesting ideas about the street fight 53 years ago. I wonder if he ever followed up with anything else on the subject.... more
    - - Re: Re: You're mainly right, Bob. — Anonymous, Fri May 12 10:23
        Another article of interest. https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84024828/1890-01-18/ed-1/seq-2/#date1=1836&index=1&date2=1922&searchType=advanced&language=&sequence=0&words=John+Ringold&proxd... more
      - Thanks again, Bob, especially — olds, Fri May 12 18:23
        for including the hunted-and-pecked "translation" of the article. (Couldn't read that one either.) Sorry, but I am unimpressed by the newspaper's crediting Leslie with "Ringold's" killing. Not only... more
- Re: What am I missing? — Bob Cash, Fri May 05 9:28
  I thought you said you were concerned about my finger. I'l have to start hunting and pecking on this late this weekend.
- - I misspoke. — olds, Fri May 05 9:52
    I am concerned about ALL your fingers. The thumbs less so, sorry, but even those opposable digits to a certain extent. I only hope that yours are not afflicted by arthritis as are mine, though not of the... more
  - - Not an answer to your post, but this is the newest... — Bob Cash, Fri May 05 10:17
      ... find of a contemporary source on ngo's death that I know of. From Steve Gatto: https://nediscapp.herokuapp.com/discussion.cgi?disc=39627&article=38777&search_page=3&search_term=Ringo Interesting... more

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