B.J.
Hey Olds…
Sat May 13, 17:36

I really like your downstream post referred to here.

Henry Kissinger would appreciate how you looked at both sides of an issue and summarized what is at the core of their polar opposite perspectives.

You correctly pointed out the inappropriateness of making personal references related to historical interpretations.

I think most historians would agree with you.

I don’t remember Joyce ever insulting any other historian, regardless of a disagreement. She has always been respectful and professional.

Joyce is very well read and self educated (albeit selective educated?) despite her 4th grade formal education.

I just wanted to point out an irony of Mike’s personal insults.

Mike apparently has issues with two different historians at opposite ends of the educational spectrum and has made personal insults of both historian’s modus operandi.

Joyce with a 4th grade (formal) education.

My university resource tenured phd history professor.

And both of them have been reduced to ignorance.


  • To Mike and Joyce--heads up. — olds, Fri May 12 15:58
    There is a post waiting for both of you down below in connection with the "put-up job" string. Might want to have a gander.
    • for Olds & BJ & all of us.... — Joyce A. Aros, Sat May 13 18:22
      I wish to thank both of you for caring enough to remind us with a gentle come-uppance to be more respectful of one another when having our usual and endless disagreements. Every so often, it is easy... more
    • Hey Olds… — B.J., Sat May 13 17:36
      • Didn't know that Billy, — olds, Sat May 13 20:08
        about Mike's penchant for personalizing. Unfortunate. Don't know Mike personally so can only generalize that in my experience the tendency, along with that of defensiveness, oft-times can be chalked up... more
        • More manipulation — Mike Mihaljevich, Sat May 20 23:21
          Her dialogue is anything but threatening. On the contrary, it's rather impossible to take seriously. It's a word choice you've applied for flattery. There are two kinds of people in this field... more
          • You seem to have — olds, Sun May 21 9:05
            not bothered to read or simply have not processed the content of the various posts here Mike concerning this subject. Why that should be the case, I hesitate to say--you certainly have had more than enough... more
            • Re: You seem to have — B.J., Sun May 21 12:20
              Hey Olds, Some years ago, at a TTR event, I remember one of the speakers: a retired professor of history, mentioned that... .."The legend" is a very important part of history. (or words to that... more
              • No argument there, Billy. — olds, Sun May 21 15:31
                Legend, myth, folktale, fable, even unexamined "conventional wisdom," whichever word or idea is the correct one, it certainly can spur or inspire researchers to pursue "the real story." In my own line... more
                • Re: No argument there, Billy. — B.J., Sun May 21 15:50
                  Olds, for some reason after reading your post, I immediately had a fractured remembrance of either Buffalo Bill Cody or Wild Bill Hickok during a stage career which included having to wear an outrageous... more
        • Mike — Pam Potter, Sat May 20 7:47
          I do know Mike, personally. He is a passionate, enthusiastic and dedicated researcher who I believe, is very frustrated with much of the modern historical writing. He is trying to right the wrongs as... more
          • Re: Mike — B.J., Sat May 20 20:10
            Mike seems to compare a tenured university professor resource’s modus operandi to a cardboard cut-out or a guy in a television marketing ad dressed up as a doctor wearing a stereoscope. What’s with the... more
            • Mike's biggest sin — Jerry Prather, Mon May 22 9:45
              BJ, it seems that you were pretty much in agreement with much of what Mike was saying early on. Even after his post Missed My Meaning in which he said "It's not over the top because it's not true...a... more
              • Re: Mike's biggest sin — B.J., Mon May 22 12:55
                So Jerry, I’m not sure why you feel the need to defend Mike? He can advocate for himself. The post you referred to is being taken out of context. My post was in response to mike claiming that “I... more
          • Share your hope, Pam. — olds, Sat May 20 14:53
            Up with rapprochement. My only comment would be, if Mike is frustrated, as am I, if surely to a less passionate extent, with those who are "continually printing the legend," then I would think that... more
        • Re: Didn't know that Billy, — B.J., Mon May 15 10:53
          Hey Olds, your negation of: .."Didn't know that Billy, about Mike's penchant for personalizing" ...seems to contrast with your recent, deeply entrenched downstream post per the topic of Mike....... more
          • I get your confusion. — olds, Mon May 15 12:51
            I was referring to not knowing that Mike had a PENCHANT for or PATTERN of personalizing. Obviously, I knew that he did with Joyce, but reckoned that was a one-off. It was when you added that he had done... more
    • great post, too (nm) — Peter Love, Sat May 13 1:34
      • Thanks Peter. — olds, Sat May 13 7:49
        Risky business, butting in. I just felt that while Mike is spot on about his more sophisticated, professional approach to historical research and interpretation, that he was applying a rigorous academic... more
        • Re: Thanks Peter. — B.J., Sat May 13 8:46
          Olds, just a clarification of your post. Nobody currently is banned. Only repeated certain behavior is banned.