Re: Thanks, Bob. Appreciate it.
Sat May 13, 22:28

Olds, I'm pretty sure that this means it was a reprint from the TOMBSTONE PROSPRECTOR newspaper.

Gatto believes Ringo committed suicide.

Because of the upside down gun belt, the missing piece of scalp, the fact that the undershirt strips tied around his feet were virtually free of dirt, when the area surrounding his resting place was muddy (if you are planning to spread your brains on the tree you are sitting on, you don’t take time to put pieces of your undershirt on your feet to protect them from the elements), modern forensic studies that find only about 25% of suicides by pistol continue to hold onto the weapon, not to mention the whole controversy about his hat, the fact that former and current law enforcement officers posting on this board are all over the place in terms of suicide vs. homicide, , Leslie’s confession to Yuma prison guard Frank King, the fact that Ringo’s enemies included several large cattle and sheep outfits including Hookers’, Vail’s, Martins, and Downing’s, very possibly Wells Fargo, Wyatt Earp and/or his allies, friends of Morgan Earp, and the fact that his good friend and partner in their San Simon ranch, Ike Clanton, would, in all probability, profit from his death, I’m not convinced it was a suicide.

Two interesting articles from A 1973 Cochise County

  • Thanks, Bob. Appreciate it.olds, Fri May 12 17:48
    What immediately piqued my interest was the statement, "There is more than one man living in Cochise County who knows who did it." How would PROSPECTOR, who might as well have signed off as "Anonymous,"... more
    • Re: Thanks, Bob. Appreciate it.Bob Cash, Mon May 15 9:29
      Olds, you write, "I needn't mention that both Jack Burrows and Gary Roberts are satisfied that Ringo was a suicide. I will be gobsmacked if Gatto isn't as well." Okay, you've played your Burrows, Roberts,... more
      • LOL.olds, Mon May 15 13:43
        The Morey card is an excellent one. Well-played, Bob. I am probably Jeff's biggest fan, as I am a fast friend, and respect his opinions in these matters without reservation, so I've been aware of his... more
    • Re: Thanks, Bob. Appreciate it. — Anonymous, Sat May 13 22:28
      • Thanks for those articles.olds, Sun May 14 8:51
        Fascinating stuff. End of the day, all considered, what it comes down to, I suppose, is how one weighs the importance of one fact or factor against or over another, and ultimately that is a subjective... more
        • By the way, Bob,olds, Sun May 14 11:35
          if the source of those statements was a newspaper and not a person--and thanks for setting me straight on that--it changes nothing save to discredit that newspaper owing to its appalling lack of journalistic... more
        • Re: Thanks for those articles.Bob Cash, Sun May 14 10:04
          olds, you asked: You mention law enforcement officers. Are you including in that group forensic profilers and psychologists? I don't know. At least two are still posting, one who says Ringo's death is... more
          • That letter in Ringo's pocket....Robert Buckley, Sun May 14 12:10
            I've always leaned toward Ringo shooting himself....but, that letter in Ringo's pocket at the time of his death gives me pause. The letter was from the law office of James A. Zabriskie. Zabriskie was... more
            • Re: That letter in Ringo's pocket....Bob Cash, Thu May 18 8:51
              I don't know anything about the Tiffany case, Robert, but wasn't Zabriskie a top notch defense lawyer? Maybe it had something to do with charges against Ringo concerning shooting the guy for not accepting... more
              • Re: Re: That letter in Ringo's pocket....Robert Buckley, Thu May 18 18:26
                Bob, Zabriskie was the United States Disrict Attorney for the Territory of Arizona at that time. Actually, Zabriskie was named to that position a few days after Ringo's death if my memory is correct.... more
                • Re: Re: Re: That letter in Ringo's pocket....Bob Cash, Sat May 20 22:56
                  Thank you so much, Robert, for pointing out that independent researchers could lon into the JSTOR site. Over the last 15 years or so I have again and again pulled up the first pages of articles I wanted... more
                  • Bob, another article on JSTORRobert Buckley, Sun May 21 16:10
                    Bob,it sounds like you have some catching up to do on JSTOR. I'll get you started with one of my favorite articles on the site. It was published in 1970 by the Montana Historical Society and written... more
                    • Re: Bob, another article on JSTORBob Cash, Thu May 25 10:17
                      Thank you again, Robert. I truly appreciate it. This guy Robetts had some pretty interesting ideas about the street fight 53 years ago. I wonder if he ever followed up with anything else on the subject.... more