Bob Cash
Re: Thanks for those articles.
Sun May 14, 10:04

olds, you asked: You mention law enforcement officers. Are you including in that group forensic profilers and psychologists?
I don't know. At least two are still posting, one who says Ringo's death is consistent with everything he's learned about suicide in his career and one who has questioned the possibility of holding a seven-inch-long barrel to one's head and producing the angle of the described wound. I wish one or both would join this discussion. I know other officers have commented but don't remember their positions.

I thought the most interesting thing about the article by the author who had face to face discussions with Henry Smith and the Sandersons was the lack of powder burns on Ringo. The only place I had seen direct quotes about this before was in TOMBSTONE by Burns so I wasn't completely convinced of their veracity. Add that to my list of facts that make me skeptical it was suicide.

  • Thanks for those articles.olds, Sun May 14 8:51
    Fascinating stuff. End of the day, all considered, what it comes down to, I suppose, is how one weighs the importance of one fact or factor against or over another, and ultimately that is a subjective... more
    • By the way, Bob,olds, Sun May 14 11:35
      if the source of those statements was a newspaper and not a person--and thanks for setting me straight on that--it changes nothing save to discredit that newspaper owing to its appalling lack of journalistic... more
    • Re: Thanks for those articles. — Bob Cash, Sun May 14 10:04
      • That letter in Ringo's pocket....Robert Buckley, Sun May 14 12:10
        I've always leaned toward Ringo shooting himself....but, that letter in Ringo's pocket at the time of his death gives me pause. The letter was from the law office of James A. Zabriskie. Zabriskie was... more
        • Re: That letter in Ringo's pocket....Bob Cash, Thu May 18 8:51
          I don't know anything about the Tiffany case, Robert, but wasn't Zabriskie a top notch defense lawyer? Maybe it had something to do with charges against Ringo concerning shooting the guy for not accepting... more
          • Re: Re: That letter in Ringo's pocket....Robert Buckley, Thu May 18 18:26
            Bob, Zabriskie was the United States Disrict Attorney for the Territory of Arizona at that time. Actually, Zabriskie was named to that position a few days after Ringo's death if my memory is correct.... more
            • Re: Re: Re: That letter in Ringo's pocket....Bob Cash, Sat May 20 22:56
              Thank you so much, Robert, for pointing out that independent researchers could lon into the JSTOR site. Over the last 15 years or so I have again and again pulled up the first pages of articles I wanted... more
              • Bob, another article on JSTORRobert Buckley, Sun May 21 16:10
                Bob,it sounds like you have some catching up to do on JSTOR. I'll get you started with one of my favorite articles on the site. It was published in 1970 by the Montana Historical Society and written... more
                • Re: Bob, another article on JSTORBob Cash, Thu May 25 10:17
                  Thank you again, Robert. I truly appreciate it. This guy Robetts had some pretty interesting ideas about the street fight 53 years ago. I wonder if he ever followed up with anything else on the subject.... more