Bob Cash
I said "kind of"...
Wed May 24, 22:49

I posted this some years back, but I think I was most interested in the info on the Benson stagecoach murders and the interviewee's take on Doc's part (or not) in it.

I have been under the impresson that the story that Billy Claiborne had accused Frank Leslie of killing Ringo came from the 50+ year old memories of old timers, so I was surprised when I re-read the article.

https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=DAC18860612.2.13&srpos=3&e=01-01-1883-31-11-1896--en--20--1--txt-txIN-Doc+Holliday-------1

  • One last Ringo post...kind of. — Bob Cash, Thu May 18 17:12
    Bat Masterson on the vendetta: ""They hunted down a Mexican named Florentine, whom they shot, and then, one by one, they got Frank Stilwell, Curly Bill AND OTHERS WHO HAD A HAND, DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY,IN... more
    • I said "kind of"... — Bob Cash, Wed May 24 22:49
      • Thanks for that, Bob. — olds, Thu May 25 10:14
        Actually was able to read that one, if only with the help of my reading specs. So, it appears that the young Claiborne, for whatever reason, admired (idolized?) the older Ringo and considered him a... more
        • Re: Thanks for that, Bob. — Bob Cash, Thu May 25 15:12
          Here's Parsons' and DeMattos' take on Claiborne and Ringo: https://books.google.com/books?id=FxhgDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA45&dq=Ringo+Claiborne&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwifl-qJvMDoAhUKS6wKH... more
          • Once again, thanks Bob. — olds, Thu May 25 18:48
            So according to Parsons/DeMattos, the scenario I described in my post is "pure fiction." Fair enough. They're the guys in the know. That said, from what they have written, I still fail to understand... more
            • Re: Once again, thanks Bob. — Bob Cash, Thu May 25 21:26
              According to Bossenecker in RIDE THE DEVIL'S HERD, Billy apparently incorrectly thought that the group speaking with Leslie were talking about the recent shriff's election. Claiborne had supported Dave... more
              • That explains it then. — olds, Fri May 26 7:19
                Dumb as it sounds, a misunderstanding about local politics leading to one thing leading to another leading to what it ultimately led to. (Claiborne sounds like a real piece of work, but then Leslie apparently... more
                • Adding my rec — Sarah Stegall, Sun May 28 3:15
                  Just want to say that I recently finished Boessenecker’s book, and it’s terrific. Highly recommended.
                • Re: That explains it then. — Bob Cash, Fri May 26 11:06
                  Olds, you should finish reading this highly educational post and then immediately order RIDE THE DEVIL'S HERD. Bossenecker is no slouch when it comes to research, but in this book his skills are combined... more
                  • I unfailingly find your posts — olds, Fri May 26 21:22
                    edifying, Bob, among other things. You've certainly furthered my education on this subject, for which many thanks. Problem is, the more I know, the more I remain partial to my original position. I... more
                    • Re: I unfailingly find your posts — Bob Cash, Sat May 27 10:51
                      Here's a motive that Ken Vail posited for Leslie, or any number of Cochise County characters. https://nediscapp.com/discussion.cgi?disc=39627&article=34553&search_page=2&search_term=Leslie
                      • Bob Cash — Peter Brand, Sat May 27 21:20
                        Bob I say this sincerely - you are the main reason I drop in on this discussion board. Your knowledge and research and measured delivery always impresses me. Keep it up. Cheers PB
                        • Re: Bob Cash — Bob Cash, Sun May 28 14:21
                          Thank you, Peter. I really apptreciate that. I wish my posts would lure more world class authors and researchers (unlike me) back to the board, like you. I'm sure people would be more interested in how... more
                          • Re: Re: Bob Cash — B.J., Sun May 28 21:06
                            Hey Bob, I have communicated with Tefertiller several times recently. He did not mention anything (about being included in the group of non-posters)
                          • Reason — Peter Brand, Sun May 28 19:03
                            Bob - some of the articles you have shared have been very helpful and I appreciate the fact that you share your findings. There is a reason almost all of those you named no longer post here. Cheer... more
                            • Re: Reason — B.J., Sun May 28 20:38
                              So Peter, please let us in on the secret to allow for problem solving? Some months ago, you were very upset at Kenny per a post he made about you. You said you were done posting here until I took action... more
                      • Hmm. — olds, Sat May 27 13:31
                        So the conjecture is that the motive would have been the reward money offered by this Protective Association? ($1,000 then would be roughly $30,000 now.) As motives go, plausible enough, I suppose, though... more
        • Who Shot J.R….? — B.J., Thu May 25 14:59
          Growing up as part of a Native Arizona Family, the story circulating for many years was “who shot J.R.? Most of my family and other old timers used Frank Leslie’s name as a paid assassin who left... more
    • Promise, Bob? — olds, Thu May 18 20:21
      The last Ringo post? Hope so, because the subject's about all played out on this end. William Barclay. Well, not exactly who anyone would seriously describe as the most reliable source with respect... more
      • Re: Promise, Bob? — Anonymous, Fri May 19 13:47
        Bat may not have been in the vicinity at the time of Ringo's death, but he was certainly with Wyatt in Colorado and/or in communication with him during that summer and many times thereafter until his permanent... more
        • Thanks for that link, Bob. — olds, Fri May 19 15:37
          Interesting. Good summary, if one that at this point, thanks to Kenny and others, we could augment with even more miscreancy. Have no idea what "modern law enforcement" would or wouldn't do, but I'd... more
    • last Ringo post?... — Joyce A. Aros, Thu May 18 17:46
      ...Probably not likely, but I had to jump in with my own response to the newspaper article. Quite fanciful and colourful, and certainly starting out okay, but the story teller got wound up and just couldn't... more
      • Re: last Ringo post?... — Bob Cash, Fri May 19 14:49
        Joyce, you write.: "Just referring to possible connection with Earp killing Ringo, this accounts to the obvious nonsense. John Ringo's name was all too well known. If this guy rattled off people Wyatt... more
        • Wow! That is an interesting ... — Joyce A. Aros, Fri May 19 16:39
          ...new viewpoint for me as he seemed almost idolized the past 40 years or so. Pretty neat! Thank you. I stand corrected...but not for long-----?
          • Re: Wow! That is an interesting ... — Bob Cash, Fri May 19 19:40
            Yeah...I'm waiting for Steve Gatto to come up with hundreds of articles to set me straight.
            • Me too — Peter Love, Sat May 20 1:32
              Steve. Is full bottle on him. But Ringo looms large in Wyatt’s own autobiography. I think this written around the time of Masterson’s article.