Bob Cash
Re: Thanks for that, Bob.
Thu May 25, 15:12

Here's Parsons' and DeMattos' take on Claiborne and Ringo:
https://books.google.com/books?id=FxhgDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA45&dq=Ringo+Claiborne&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwifl-qJvMDoAhUKS6wKHVOdBHQQ6AEwAXoECAMQAg#v=onepage&q=Ringo%20Claiborne&f=false
Except for the 1886 article I shared, all the accounts I was aware of that have Claiborne accusing Leslie of being Ringo's killer are from 1920's reminiscinces of old timers. I don't think there are any other contemporary accounts that report a particularly close relationship between Ringo and Claiborne. Based on the mid-eighties article I previously shared that named Ringo as one of Leslie's victims, it seems safe to say that at least some local people belived that, but how wide spread that suspicion was I can't say. Of course the source could have been loose talk by Buckskin himself or Henry Smith saying he had run into Leslie on the trail after seeing Ringo headed in the same direction.

  • Thanks for that, Bob.olds, Thu May 25 10:14
    Actually was able to read that one, if only with the help of my reading specs. So, it appears that the young Claiborne, for whatever reason, admired (idolized?) the older Ringo and considered him a... more
    • Re: Thanks for that, Bob. — Bob Cash, Thu May 25 15:12
      • Once again, thanks Bob.olds, Thu May 25 18:48
        So according to Parsons/DeMattos, the scenario I described in my post is "pure fiction." Fair enough. They're the guys in the know. That said, from what they have written, I still fail to understand... more
        • Re: Once again, thanks Bob.Bob Cash, Thu May 25 21:26
          According to Bossenecker in RIDE THE DEVIL'S HERD, Billy apparently incorrectly thought that the group speaking with Leslie were talking about the recent shriff's election. Claiborne had supported Dave... more
          • That explains it then.olds, Fri May 26 7:19
            Dumb as it sounds, a misunderstanding about local politics leading to one thing leading to another leading to what it ultimately led to. (Claiborne sounds like a real piece of work, but then Leslie apparently... more
            • Adding my recSarah Stegall, Sun May 28 3:15
              Just want to say that I recently finished Boessenecker’s book, and it’s terrific. Highly recommended.
            • Re: That explains it then.Bob Cash, Fri May 26 11:06
              Olds, you should finish reading this highly educational post and then immediately order RIDE THE DEVIL'S HERD. Bossenecker is no slouch when it comes to research, but in this book his skills are combined... more
              • I unfailingly find your postsolds, Fri May 26 21:22
                edifying, Bob, among other things. You've certainly furthered my education on this subject, for which many thanks. Problem is, the more I know, the more I remain partial to my original position. I... more
                • Re: I unfailingly find your postsBob Cash, Sat May 27 10:51
                  Here's a motive that Ken Vail posited for Leslie, or any number of Cochise County characters. https://nediscapp.com/discussion.cgi?disc=39627&article=34553&search_page=2&search_term=Leslie
                  • Bob CashPeter Brand, Sat May 27 21:20
                    Bob I say this sincerely - you are the main reason I drop in on this discussion board. Your knowledge and research and measured delivery always impresses me. Keep it up. Cheers PB
                    • Re: Bob CashBob Cash, Sun May 28 14:21
                      Thank you, Peter. I really apptreciate that. I wish my posts would lure more world class authors and researchers (unlike me) back to the board, like you. I'm sure people would be more interested in how... more
                      • Re: Re: Bob CashB.J., Sun May 28 21:06
                        Hey Bob, I have communicated with Tefertiller several times recently. He did not mention anything (about being included in the group of non-posters)
                        • Re: Re: Re: Bob CashBob Cash, Sun May 28 23:04
                          B.J., all I meant by my post is that none of those mentioned post here nearly as much as they used to. I think you have done an excellent job in trying to maintain a site with a welcoming vibe.
                          • BobB.J., Mon May 29 20:55
                            Of all the people who post here, you have the most balanced historical perspective of events, protagonists and antagonists. I have learned that no matter how objective most historians are and try to... more
                          • Thx BobB.J., Mon May 29 1:55
                            I have never understood using silence as a form of communication. If informed of a problem, problem solving can implemented .
                  • Hmm.olds, Sat May 27 13:31
                    So the conjecture is that the motive would have been the reward money offered by this Protective Association? ($1,000 then would be roughly $30,000 now.) As motives go, plausible enough, I suppose, though... more
    • Who Shot J.R….?B.J., Thu May 25 14:59
      Growing up as part of a Native Arizona Family, the story circulating for many years was “who shot J.R.? Most of my family and other old timers used Frank Leslie’s name as a paid assassin who left... more